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No idea - never heard of them.

 

As to credibility, it's someone's task to build it with you if they want you to rely on their advice... and the default answer is "no, you are not" (BTW, this includes my advice here; 6000 posts and helpful reputation only go up to a point).

 

One interesting question - to the the seller - is: "Why did you choose them and not GIA or AGSL (or anyone else you regard as credible)?" Answers along the line of "too expensive" or "they are all the same" are big red flags not just for the stone but for the vendor, in my book.

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FWiW, their address listed at 521 Fifth Avenue is not anywhere near the Diamond District.  I ought to know ... I worked for someone in that building 17 years ago.  If you're lucky it's just a boiler room operation.  If you're not lucky, it's not only a boiler room, but they're a short-term sublet of a vacated tenant.

 

On the bright side?  At least it's not an address in the Hudson or East River.

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FWiW, their address listed at 521 Fifth Avenue is not anywhere near the Diamond District.

521 5th is about 4 blocks / 1/4 mile away from the heart of the district; I wouldn't say it's "nowhere near it". AGS's main lab is in Nevada, which IS nowhere near the NY diamond district, but it doesn't impact their credibility in my eyes. Edited by davidelevi
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FWiW, their address listed at 521 Fifth Avenue is not anywhere near the Diamond District.

521 5th is about 4 blocks / 1/4 mile away from the heart of the district; I wouldn't say it's "nowhere near it". AGS's main lab is in Nevada, which IS nowhere near the NY diamond district, but it doesn't impact their credibility in my eyes.

 

 

You've been away too long, David! :)  Distances in the beehive are measured in minutes-to-get-there -- by foot, taxi or subway.  Five blocks is to Broadway; even less distance to Fox News headquarters. Schlepping diamonds up and down Fifth amidst the tourist throngs?  No way!

 

In the Diamond district, it's a matter of storefronts and floors traversed.  So, for a no-name to claim it's in the "heart of the diamond district", as this outfit does on their website, is too far a stretch.  Particularly if no one in this forum immediately jumps to enlighten us on who they are.  "Everything-is-connected."

 

All I do know is, as functioning website designs go, my granddaughter age 7 does better. :)  What a flimsy pretext for a business!

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"In the heart of the diamond district" (their expression) is very different from "not anywhere near it" (your expression).

 

Their expression may or may not be totally correct - at the end of the day, GIA was at 580 5th until a couple of months ago, which is still "to one side of the district", and about as distant from their present location (50 W 47th) as 521 5th Ave is from 580 5th Ave. Yours is definitely wrong.

 

Secondly - but not secondarily - location has nothing to do with reliability or reputation. AGSL is in Las Vegas, Gübelin is in Luzern (Switzerland, not PA).

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David >> "In the heart of the diamond district" (their expression) is very different from "not anywhere near it" (your expression). ... Their expression may or may not be totally correct -

 

Actually, it (their statement) is completely wrong.  Quoting the wiki entry, "The Diamond District is an area of New York City located on West 47th Street between Fifth Avenue and Sixth Avenue (Avenue of the Americas) in midtown Manhattan (...)"

 

David >> at the end of the day, GIA was at 580 5th until a couple of months ago, which is still "to one side of the district", and about as distant from their present location (50 W 47th) as 521 5th Ave is from 580 5th Ave. Yours is definitely wrong.

 

Huh?  580 Fifth is the corner building of 5th and 47th.  Doesn't get any closer than that (except their new, better location).

 

In contrast, 521 Fifth is at 43rd Street.  There is no entrance from Fifth Avenue -- you have to go over 200 feet down 43rd to the entrance, since Fifth is now all retail presences.

 

But the usual traffic pattern is the most significant difference.  521 Fifth gets foot traffic from Grand Central, the 42nd St subway(s), Port Authority bus terminal (42nd and 8th), and even Penn Station (33rd and 7th).  47th up to 50th gets people through the Rockefeller Center complex or the 6th Ave subway.  Actually very little foot traffic in the morning up from 42nd, until the tourists arrive later in the day.

 

David >> Yours is definitely wrong.

 

I will certainly concede the point if and when you give me a list of diamond retailers who are claimed to be "part" of the Diamond district, yet further away from the DD than these people on the 17th floor of a general office building on 43rd. 

 

Geography can be difficult.  Look at all the poor Russian soldiers accidentally wandering in to the sovereign Ukraine state's territory.

 

David >> Secondly - but not secondarily - location has nothing to do with reliability or reputation. AGSL is in Las Vegas, Gübelin is in Luzern (Switzerland, not PA).

 

While this is true, it is not pertinent to the previous discussion.  The sole reason International Diamond Laboratory has a "prominent" New York address (about which we know better) is to impress rubes from Iowa.

 

However, you would think that Las Vegas should have the makings of a good retail district by themselves, instead of just the huge seasonal trade shows from JCK and others.  Of the in-casino shops we've visited, the best are Venetian (Sands Corp.) and the Wynn (Steve Wynn); the few "good" jewelry shops in City Center are in a separate complex from Aria and the Cosmo.  (And if you're bottom fishing to check out the local pawnshop action, be advised that most, at least 95%, are payday loan operators dealing in retail consumables like used lawn hedgers and portable radios. Better luck shopping for jewelry on Craigs List.)

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Sorry - 521 5th avenue is not "nowhere near the diamond district" by any reasonable criteria. These are your words, and they are plain wrong.

 

And you are the one who is insisting that location is relevant.

 

We both agree that this "lab" is not a reliable source for grading, independent of its location.

 

Last post on this thread for me.

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I could arrange a 'prestigious New York address' for $25/month plus a few ala carte fees.  I've not heard of one of these joints in the diamond district but surely they exist.   The 'lab' can be wherever they want and it would be largely transparent to consumers.

 

http://www.manhattanvirtualoffice.com/virtualoffice.html

 

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Neil >> http://www.manhattanvirtualoffice.com/virtualoffice.html


 

Sure!  So why does someone want to pretend they're "in the heart of", when they're a good quarter mile away?  They probably even work Fridays and Saturdays. ;p

 

I don't consider any of the shops on 5th below about 46th Street to have anything to do with the Diamond district.  There's a certain work ethos, a tradition; it helps if you can fake a few words of Yiddish.  We've looked at the Chinatown shops for chook gum (24K gold), but they're not competitive with 47th Street on diamonds.

 

If you Google this International Diamond Laboratory, it seems they're big stuff in Dubai.  However, the operations overseas have nothing to do with this New York outfit.  And nobody in any of the forums is talking about them (except us).

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