Jump to content

Princess Cut Advice/feedback Needed!


MrRevhead
 Share

Recommended Posts

I have found a diamond that is located overseas that I can bring in on consignment for $200, and the jeweller/importer who is directly importing it will provide the following upon arrival:

 

- Microscopic Photo

- ASET Image (Fancy Cut Stones Only)

- Two videos in different lighting conditions

- Full proportion and extra cut grading information

 

Before anyone suggests for me to directly import a diamond from James Allen etc In Australia, we have to pay a GST and Customs Fee, which is about 13-15% on top of another 10% in converting the US dollar to AU. If I had to return the diamond due to not being satisfied,I would be out of pocket a significant amount (eg on a US $2500 diamond, it will cost me about $3100 landed). If I was to return the diamond, even though JA will refund, I will still be out of pocket 13-15% (tax/duty charges).

 

It is more logical financially to get a supplier who has prices on par with the likes of James Allan that offers the above service and return policy prior to paying the full amount for the diamond.

 

Now that has been cleared up, I am considering the following two diamonds:

 

 

GIA

Weight: 0.77ct

Colour: F

Clarity: VS2

Fluorescence: None

Polish: Excellent

Symmetry: Very Good

Measurements: 5.00x4.99x3.74

Length:Width Ratio: 1.00 : 1

Table: 65%

Depth: 74.9%

Girdle: Medium to Thick

Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Cloud

 

GIA 

Weight: 0.71ct

Colour: F

Clarity: VS1

Fluorescence: None

Polish: Very Good

Symmetry: Very Good

Measurements: 5.03x5.00x3.51

Length:Width Ratio: 1.01 : 1

Table: 68%

Depth: 70.2%

Girdle: Medium to Thick

Clarity Characteristics: Feather, Pinpoint

 

I have not received pics as yet, but based on proportions and statistically, which one seems to have the more ideal parameters? Both are within $100 of each other.

 

I am aware it is very hard to grade Princess Cut's solely on depth/table, but needing to pick one of the above to bring in for further testing, which one is 'likely' to be a better performer in terms of scintillation/brilliance/light retention?

 

Using the AGA/Dave Atlas's Princess Cut grading system, both are 1A/1B based on the input (I had to estimate crown, so used a moderate 8% - although I assume the 10% table/depth difference in the first diamond would likely result in a higher crown % ?) 

 

Thanks in advance

Edited by MrRevhead
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 65
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

I certainly understand wishing to separate based on proportions but you don’t HAVE the proportions.  All you’ve got is depth, table and length/width ratio.  That’s simply not enough to tell you anything useful about the differences in the cutting.   Wishing there were more to be learned from those 3 datapoints doesn’t make it so.

 

No, it's not legit to assume that the smaller table and bigger depth means a taller crown.  Small tables are often the result of lower crown angles.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The problem is that there is no way of saying just based on the data you have. It's not just "very hard" to grade princess cuts on cut based on table and depth; it's pointless.

 

Leaving aside the general reliability of cut quality estimates made using AGA classes, you have no basis other than guesswork to estimate crown height: what if the crown angle of the first diamond is ~34°? Crown height is about 8% then... Or what if the crown angle of the second is ~47°? Its crown height would be about 10%. Both are within the realm of possibility. I agree with you that the crown of the second stone is likely to be lower than that of the first, but by how much it's anybody's guess. Then throw in personal preferences and the things becomes exponentially more complicated.

 

If I had to take a hunch, I'd go with the first one, but it's a hunch based on the fact that I like small tables. You may like the other one much better.

 

BTW - a couple of points about the "personal import vs. broker" issue:

 

1) Diamonds are priced in USD on the global market. The rate of exchange AUD to USD is a fact of the world. It's there independently of whether you purchase from James Allen in Chicago, Alena Gorchakova in Moscow or Chow Tai Hook in Hong Kong. Or your broker within Australia. The price won't change.

 

Same goes for tax etc.: you will pay them in exactly the same way regardless of whether you buy locally or remotely.

 

2) Tax and import duties can be refunded, as long as you import the stone "correctly" the first time around. Whether that's worth the fuss and inconvenience is a different question, but it's definitely not impossible. It's exactly what every diamond broker and dealer does all the time (only a relatively small percentage of "large" diamonds are bought for stock)

 

3) The value of getting the extra information (ASET, 3D scans, microphotographs etc.) is maximal when you can compare several of these to choose a diamond to then see. It's not a "I have seen it, I like it, now let's analyse it to death" process.

 

If every time you want to see info on a single diamond you have a $200 "admin fee" (which BTW is not unreasonable), you may still be better off finding someone overseas that provides the information you require on many diamonds, make your choice and only if things really are dreadful go through the rigmarole of returning the item.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Congratulations on finding two well-matched stones!  From my perspective you should be very happy with either.  (Or both.)

 

I've found that in scanning online databases for the diamonds I've been looking for, it's common to see the same exact stone listed at multiple vendors.  (In fact, that's almost a hallmark of their reputability.)  However, offering prices vary quite a bit -- 5% variance in online pricing, and I'm sure it goes higher.

 

I suggest you look for these exact stones through other vendors and see if the price and/or service rendered is more to your needs.  You mentioned James Allen, and they provide excellent service.  But if you could save 5% with a little keyboard work, and possibly get better shipping/return terms too, would you consider?  Or would you go back to James Allen and ask them to price-match, or maybe upgrade your chosen setting from 14K to 18K gold?

 

(This is like the secret to getting good comps in casinos -- it never hurts to ask, especially if you've done your homework.  You can always go back to the original offer.  But if you don't ask, it's like leaving money on the table.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

r2Vk8bK.jpg

 

Another option, but costs about 15% more than the previous one (over budget):

 

7Umdo5Q.jpg

 

Significant difference? Both are graded the same for light performance etc Just different overall grade AGS 1 vs 2

Edited by MrRevhead
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Feathers (or anything else) in a VS-graded diamond pose no risk to integrity. Inclusions materially affecting integrity should  by definition be graded at least I1, more likely I2. Mind you - a hammer stroke in the right place can always sort any flawless diamond out, but this one is a risk I'd be willing to take.

 

On the "rest" of the diamond, based on the paper it's going to look nice - say in the top 10% or maybe even 5% of princess cuts out there. Is it the ultimate in cut quality? No. Would you see the difference from an "ideal proportions" stone? Probably only in very specific circumstances, involving direct face-to-face comparison with a better cut but otherwise similar diamond. Is it the right diamond for you? Who knows. I would drop colour down to G or H (or even I, in a 0.70) and go for a super-duper cut, but that's me. Most people would probably do the same on the colour, but pocket the money.

Edited by davidelevi
Link to comment
Share on other sites

How about this diamond? It fits within my budget. 
 
Any major concerns? Should I be worried about the location of the feather?

 

Should you be concerned?  NO,  And this is why --

 

post-134047-0-24622100-1396864193_thumb.jpg

post-134047-0-18336500-1396864250_thumb.jpg

 

This is a stone I've described elsewhere.  I pulled it out of the safe deposit box a couple days ago to photograph and make some arcane point in the forums here.

 

THIS is the native condition of most "used" jewelry.  People don't put it through the ultrasonic cleaner before putting it to bed; in some cases, it's jumbled up with all the other jewelry collected over the years to resemble a "pirate's chest".  Believe it or not, without the closeup photography, you might think this stone is clean.

 

See my feather? (See my point?) :)

 

The one time you might be concerned is Presentation Day, particularly if your expected partner carries a 10X-30X loupe in her pocket (and doesn't work in the micro-fab unit at Intel).

 

Incidentally, this is an excellent candidate -- not just for you, but me, too.  (Though we're building sets of earrings, so color grade F and inclusions VS2 are realistically too good for what I'm hoping to find.  Also, we want "spready" stones, considering where they'll be worn, where the size outweighs the sparkle, up to a point.  Maybe an Asscher or Emerald.)

 

The one thing I'd suggest is to make sure that your top-down size, 4.84 x 4.73, doesn't seem small to you.  You can't go much shallower with a princess cut and have it look any good, but you can always look away from princesses.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for the quick feedback!

I have already dropped the size from my partner's ideal 5mm x 5mm criteria to the 4.84 x 4.73. I am trying to justify to her that with the AGS quality diamond, the better cut, brilliance and scintillation will more than make up for a small, barely unnoticeable drop in size. 

 

I would hate to have a diamond that is a fraction larger, but with a large, glassy table and less brilliance. Also, I would hope that the extra liveliness of the stone will make it appear that slightly bit larger to make up the 0.1-0.2mm  :lol:

 

Davidelevi, the AGS H VS2 is about the same price as the first one I mentioned above.

 

The dimensions are slightly larger, but it is a drop down by 2 in colour. It is also AGS Ideal 

 

Here is the report:

 

eb8Brqi.jpg

Will the cut make up for the loss in colour? Will it be fairly obvious compared to the F? In the zoomed photo, I can see the slightly more yellow tinge. 

 

Also, the girdle is a bit on the lower end?

Edited by MrRevhead
Link to comment
Share on other sites

"Make up" in what sense? One is colour, the other is cut. To some extent, a fantastic cut will hide colour, but it's not a precise tradeoff.

 

The more interesting question is "will you (she) even be able to tell the difference between an F and an H?" Only way of knowing the answer is to try... Don't rely on photos; even if taken with the same equipment by the same photographer in the same conditions, they aren't a replacement for seeing things "live" with your own eyes. I'm not talking of these two specific stones, BTW - but can you reliably distinguish a 0.70 F from a 0.70 H from the top?

 

ETA: this is a significantly brighter stone face-up. Is it quite where I would like it? Not yet; it "fails" on contrast and pattern for me - but the issue is always "can you tell?" "Do you like more A or B (or C)?"

 

Re: girdle. It might be. Thin is generally OK, even on corners, but again the key question is "where are the Thin (very thin, extremely thin) bits?" If on corners, and fairly extended on both sides of the corner, then it may be a fragile point. 0.5 mm in the middle of the side, it's not an issue at all.

Edited by davidelevi
Link to comment
Share on other sites

ETA: this is a significantly brighter stone face-up. Is it quite where I would like it? Not yet; it "fails" on contrast and pattern for me - but the issue is always "can you tell?" "Do you like more A or B (or C)?"

I would prefer a brighter stone, especially since both the F VS2 and H VS2 are at the same price point. 

 

From face up value, I don't think the difference in F and H would be noticeable, especially on a 18k White Gold setting. 

 

I have seen G and H in person compared to F, and there was a noticeable difference, but then again, there was also a difference in cut between the G and the F that made the difference fairly obvious (the G was also milky looking, possibly because the cloud on the table...). 

 

The question I am now asking, if a choice was given to you (or anyone else reading), based on the information provided above in the reports (characteristics) and the Light Performance Maps, what is more than likely going to be a better presented diamond overall, the F VS2 or the H VS2 (1st or 3rd reports posted)? 

Edited by MrRevhead
Link to comment
Share on other sites

... The question I am now asking, if a choice was given to you (or anyone else reading), based on the information provided above in the reports (characteristics) and the Light Performance Maps, what is more than likely going to be a better presented diamond overall, the F VS2 or the H VS2 (1st or 3rd reports posted)?

 

No difference.  Unless you have them adjacent, and then you'll have to study very carefully..

 

Part of the fun of selecting an engagement ring is doing it together.  You don't say where you're located, and good diamond places are always in the major cities.  She might prefer you save money for other priorities.  Some other women might think -- this is it; might as well go for the biggest & baddest!

 

When my first wife and I selected our solitaire, I went on a payment plan for 3 years.  When my second and I got the rock we call the Headlight, she already had a 2-carat, so she just gave that to her daughter in law (for her wedding).  Emotions seem to accompany the process of making a purchase, or investment (if you like to think that way), but all the technical work you're trying to do beforehand will be forgotten unless she buys into your efforts in a personal way.  Otherwise ... the shared emotions and memories will all be (just) about Presentation Day.  (And ... I guarantee your diamond will not be cleaned before it is put away for safekeeping!)

 

So, what it comes down to is -- let her make the choices you're asking here.  I bet she'll surprise you!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

... The question I am now asking, if a choice was given to you (or anyone else reading), based on the information provided above in the reports (characteristics) and the Light Performance Maps, what is more than likely going to be a better presented diamond overall, the F VS2 or the H VS2 (1st or 3rd reports posted)?

 

No difference.  Unless you have them adjacent, and then you'll have to study very carefully..

 

Part of the fun of selecting an engagement ring is doing it together.  You don't say where you're located, and good diamond places are always in the major cities.  She might prefer you save money for other priorities.  Some other women might think -- this is it; might as well go for the biggest & baddest!

 

When my first wife and I selected our solitaire, I went on a payment plan for 3 years.  When my second and I got the rock we call the Headlight, she already had a 2-carat, so she just gave that to her daughter in law (for her wedding).  Emotions seem to accompany the process of making a purchase, or investment (if you like to think that way), but all the technical work you're trying to do beforehand will be forgotten unless she buys into your efforts in a personal way.  Otherwise ... the shared emotions and memories will all be (just) about Presentation Day.  (And ... I guarantee your diamond will not be cleaned before it is put away for safekeeping!)

 

So, what it comes down to is -- let her make the choices you're asking here.  I bet she'll surprise you!

 

I am located in Sydney, Australia. 

 

We have visited a number of Jewellers together. We have already organised a Jeweller to custom make the setting and custom wedding band. We have decided to buy the diamond separate as the Jeweller was over charging about 50% on a sub standard diamond.

 

She wants a diamond that is about 5mm x 5mm. With the budget restrictions, that can be achieved with a large table diamond with poor characteristics. When we visited a diamond wholesaler here twice, he tried to convince us to purchase a E VS2 0.74 diamond that had a 75% table and 67% depth....it was 5.22 x 5.08. My fiance liked the size (even though she never physically saw it, again, it would have to come in on consignment). That is why with me suggesting something smaller, but with a better cut and overall quality, has come as a bit of a shock to her that she might need to settle for something a fractions smaller that 5mm, without understanding the brilliance of a better cut! (I have shown her some Good Old Gold videos).

 

I have already increased the budget, but we don't want to stretch it too much. We are at the stage where we need to finance the wedding and purchase a house (which aren't cheap here in Sydney at all! one of the most expensive cities for property).

 

If she was to make the final decision, I am sure she would go for the E VS2 I mentioned above....even though she understands my good will, like most women, size will always win them over in the end!  :P

Link to comment
Share on other sites

When you say "you have seen G and H compared to F and you could see a significant difference", all the stones were GIA or AGS graded? You were looking at them through the top, not the side? It does make a difference... (If that is the case and you can do that, you are significantly better than me at discriminating colour - not necessarily a good thing in the circumstances)

 

I'm quite inclined to agree with jginnane - though in reality sometimes it's not possible, interpersonal dynamics (and personal situations) being what they are.

 

If you (she) like bright, I'd have little hesitation in saying "go for the second one".

 

Two more (pseudo-)random thoughts:

 

1) On size: use Powerpoint or similar to draw squares... here's a 4.8 x 4.8 and a 5.0 x 5.0... can you tell the difference, once you print, cut them out and lay them apart from each other?

 

post-11046-0-52412600-1396876817.jpg

 

2) On the diamond: have you taken a look at what is listed on the Diamond Finder?

 

ETA: if you are really convinced she would go for the diamond you have already seen, why not make her happy? She's the one who will wear it day in-day out.

Edited by davidelevi
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am located in Sydney, Australia. 

 

We have visited a number of Jewellers together. We have already organised a Jeweller to custom make the setting and custom wedding band. We have decided to buy the diamond separate as the Jeweller was over charging about 50% on a sub standard diamond.

 

She wants a diamond that is about 5mm x 5mm. (...)

 

If she was to make the final decision, I am sure she would go for the E VS2 I mentioned above....even though she understands my good will, like most women, size will always win them over in the end!  :P

 

1.  If the jeweler was already overcharging on the stone, what makes you think he's going to treat you better if you only buy the metalwork from him?  Do research (just) on settings for princess stones.  An awful lot are common settings, "stamped out" by the thousands.  All the jeweler has to do is get it into the prongs.

 

You might do better having the ring added wherever you get the stone from: platinum isn't a big premium over 18K gold.  Unless you're going for big melee, and then you're paying for "craftsmanship". 

 

2.  An E VS2 is a damn good stone.  And yes, size matters, because when the ladies get together in their secret All Girls Club, one always has the biggest ring.  Or bracelet, or necklace.  And while 5mm sounds very arbitrary (it is!), be glad they don't measure in sixteenths of an inch, because those steps are quite a bit farther between.

 

But I'll also tell you -- these ladies don't give a darn about "ideal" proportions.  The sparkle you see in a just-cleaned stone is fantasy; they have to wear the stuff, as David says.  And there is not one person in the 15 years we've had the Headlight that anyone has ever asked about depth, table, or the other things we use to determine price/value.

 

3.  You now should understand that this isn't anymore about managing expectations (i.e., smaller but better diamond), but instead, is about creating a life script.  Give her what she wants.  Regardless -- just do it.

 

Save money on the metalwork if you can, but create a persona for the stone -- call it "Old Sparkly" -- and ask whether she'd will it to a firstborn son or daughter.  (Or any other random question, but the idea is to move away from a technical dead-end choice that's not really yours to make.)  Good luck,

Link to comment
Share on other sites

And there is not one person in the 15 years we've had the Headlight that anyone has ever asked about depth, table, or the other things we use to determine price/value.

That's only because you keep company with well-mannered people who are afraid to offend you and your lady by asking questions that you may not have considered and thus inadvertently drop you into hot water with your lady...

 

The other option is that you keep company with well-mannered people who are afraid that you may very well know the answer, and that will drop them into hot water with their lady.

 

In either case, it's also clear you haven't met me in person. :)

Edited by davidelevi
Link to comment
Share on other sites

FWIW, I get asked detailed cut sort of questions several times a day.  Cutting affect cost.  Cutting affect marketing.  It affects the desirability for most consumers.  It affect resale prices.  It affects optics and it affect the beauty of the stone.   All of those things go to 'value'.  Jginnae, they may not be asking YOU, but they sure as heck are asking ME. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

OK, well OF COURSE you guys on the other side of the counter are going to get those kinds of questions!  And in my case, there's a chance we have been asked that kind of question, and I haven't understood it since I don't speak Chinese.  There's a whole LOT of stuff I don't want to nor have to hear, since it's way over my head anyways.  My sole criterion for being able to maintain this situation is I'm left-handed, so I'm used to things generally upside-down and backwards.  (Social stigma much worse for lefties in China; you can be eating in a hall with several thousand people and there is only one set of left-handed chopsticks in use.  Some people will automatically slap your hand away if you reach for food with the "wrong", AKA unclean,  hand.)

 

I don't think most guys (non-jewelers) talk about this detailed stuff because we're not the ones showing off the stones.  Are we respecting each others' privacy, not having a sense of what these pieces cost?  When we see someone else's wife wearing a nice piece, are we evaluating their social status ... or looking at how it fits with the rest of the "package"?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Actually, I think 99% of jewellery buyers - male or female - don't care. As long as it looks "good" it's fine (at least until they see one that looks "much better").

 

Those that come onto a forum/into a shop and ask questions/start a dialogue are part of the other 1%

 

When we see someone wearing something nice, I think figuring out how and whether it fits with the "rest of the package" is exactly an evaluation of social status, much more so than only knowing (or thinking about) how much the piece cost. There is more than money to social status, and people of similar status may decide to spend their money in different ways.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for the feedback to date guys, it has been helpful and greatly appreciated.

 

After some further discussion with the fiance', we have decided to either purchase the F VS2 (AGS Cut Grade 2) or F SI1 (AGS Cut Grade 1) above.

 

My main concern with the F VS2 is the feather location (as shown in the illustration).

I6cETjQ.jpg
A )  Do you think that the feather on the corner will be a concern when set in this setting (sorry for the lack of quality due to crop/zoom). This is the exact setting we will be getting made up with slight difference to the bead setting (picture taken at the jeweller we will be using). 4 claw, corner L shape prongs.

 

s21ZRe6.jpg

James Allen has stated they do a quality assurance check prior to shipping and said that AGS would not grade the stone if the inclusion was comprimising the structural integrity, especially a VS2. But I would like your opinions on this as well when weighing up my options prior to proceeding with the order. Based on my limited knowledge, the feather plays a large factor in deciding between the two diamonds.

 

B ) Even though both are given an AGS 0 on light performance, am I correct to assume the Light Performance Map looks better on the SI1 stone?

I am still relatively new to all this, so your experiences/feedback and clarification will be appreciated. (sorry if it might seem that I am readdressing some points above, but I would like to get full clarity prior to placing the order). JGinane, I know you talked about that stone of yours having a feather and it not being noticeable, but you never said whether it was on the edge and if so, it has held up over time without chipping etc.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 
 

Edited by MrRevhead
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for the feedback to date guys, it has been helpful and greatly appreciated.

 

After some further discussion with the fiance', we have decided to either purchase the F VS2 (AGS Cut Grade 2) or F SI1 (AGS Cut Grade 1) above.

 

My main concern with the F VS2 is the feather location (as shown in the illustration).

 

A )  Do you think that the feather on the corner will be a concern when set in this setting (sorry for the lack of quality due to crop/zoom). This is the exact setting we will be getting made up with slight difference to the bead setting (picture taken at the jeweller we will be using). 4 claw, corner L shape prongs.

 

Feathers (or anything else) in a VS-graded diamond pose no risk to integrity. Inclusions materially affecting integrity should  by definition be graded at least I1, more likely I2. Mind you - a hammer stroke in the right place can always sort any flawless diamond out, but this one is a risk I'd be willing to take.

To add to the above: when the diamond was being cut, the feather was there... and the amount of pressure and heat that the stone had to bear during cutting are orders of magnitude higher than anything the diamond will stand during setting. Could it break? Yes, it could. Is it likely to? No, not at all. If you are worried about that, talk to who is going to set it about insurance (theirs), or ask an insurance firm how to cover the stone during the process. This could be a little messy, in as much as it could require you to have the stone set "at the origin" in the cheapest possible setting, have it shipped to the shop where the permanent setting is going to be done, and then remove and scrap the "temporary" setting.

 

James Allen has stated they do a quality assurance check prior to shipping and said that AGS would not grade the stone if the inclusion was comprimising the structural integrity, especially a VS2. But I would like your opinions on this as well when weighing up my options prior to proceeding with the order. Based on my limited knowledge, the feather plays a large factor in deciding between the two diamonds.

Pardon me, but this is bullshit. AGS will grade I2 or even I3 diamonds with severe integrity/stability problems if they are submitted to them. What's relevant is that they chose to grade this one VS2, which means that in their opinion the feather is not materially compromising integrity. Does it mean it will not break when being set? I cannot guarantee it; no-one can. Is it very unlikely to break because of the feather? Yes, this is definitely the case.

 

B ) Even though both are given an AGS 0 on light performance, am I correct to assume the Light Performance Map looks better on the SI1 stone?

Yes, it does, if overall brightness and symmetry of pattern are high on your list.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks David. 

I have requested for a James Allen gemologist to inspect the diamond a bit further and also sent the pic of the inclusion to the jeweller who will be setting the diamond in the setting he will be making.

 

While JA are inspecting the diamond, I have made use of their service and have requested they perform an ASET test on the F VS2, F SI1 AGS stones and another GIA 0.76ct princess (69/69 table/depth). The 0.76 was a last minute diamond I added to make use of their '3 diamond test policy' as it is a larger stone that if performs well, also suits the size (LxW) my fiance' initially wanted (it's 5.2mm x 5.2mm). Unfortunately, the cert was dated 2004, so it hasn't been recertified, so I am getting them to give it another look over.

 

I will post their findings/ASET's on here when the JA gemologist reports back.

Edited by MrRevhead
Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

JGinane, I know you talked about that stone of yours having a feather and it not being noticeable, but you never said whether it was on the edge and if so, it has held up over time without chipping etc.

 

Please take a look at this --

post-134047-0-54446800-1397049008_thumb.jpg

 

If you study the overall dimensions and compare it to the plot, you'll notice that all the little specks are much, much smaller than a millimeter.  Now, if you look at the pictures previously posted, you'll see layers of body oil and what looks like dead skin flakes, aka dandruff) coating the outside of the stone.  That's how your diamond will normally look, except for the first minute or 2 after you take it out of the ultrasonic cleaner.

 

Here's a secret: many GIA downgrades from IF all the way to VS2, and possibly SI1, often aren't about the severity of the inclusions, but the number of them and where they happen to appear on the stone.  (Think of it almost like ground meat grades, where they list the percent fat.)  Is anyone ever going to see that "big" speck in the pavilion on my Headlight?  Heck, I can't even see the table specks they list, and I've used a digital microscope!

 

In your case, if you ever do manage to see that feather, trust me, it's going to be a lot smaller than a piece of lint that settles on the stone while you're maneuvering to get focus.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I may be wrong, but MrRevhead's concern is nothing to do with visibility, and all to do with durability.

 

(It's a concern that I don't share, but it's not my money and it's not my stone, so all I can do is try to reassure).

Edited by davidelevi
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share


×
  • Create New...