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Hi all,

 

I am in the process of sourcing a loose diamond for an engagement ring. I live in the UK so was wondering if anyone can recommend any reputable jewelers around the world that send to the UK, have good customer service and prices and have accurate descriptions of what you're getting, etc.

 

I have come across Brilliance.com and entered my criteria. Can anyone tell me whether their price seems reasonable? Would you recommend?

 

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Also, I have heard that there us not a great discernable difference between the D and E colours (to the untrained eye). Is this true, or is it worth spending a little more the D colour?

 

Any guidance would be great.

 

Thanks

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Brilliance.com is a well regarded outfit.

 

Nearly any serious online jeweler will ship to the UK. It's fast, secure and easy. Returns can be a pain but even that works out fairly well with FedEx service.

 

Most people cannot see the difference between D and F. After it's mounted on a moving finger, most people can't tell the difference between D and I. Does it matter? Maybe. People generally buy D because it's the 'best' and they buy other colors because they're cheaper. Individual tastes vary. The way to tell is to go look at real diamonds, live and in person. Don't sweat the prices, you can do that later. You're task is to callibrate your eyes.

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Thanks for the reply denverappraiser, very much appreciated! :)

 

This is what I'm trying to establish really, whether it is worth splashing out extra 'best' colour or not. I know that D - F are considered 'colourless' and I have seen a D and an E next to each other and certainly could not see any difference. I'm thinking that I could downgrade the colour and keep the clarity to at least an SI1 level. As I'm seeing that the number and severity of the inclusions going from an SI2 to and SI1 (GIA cert.), it quite big. Fluouresence is another property which some say to avoid (including this sites faq), I have read that it makes no difference to the appearance of the stone, however, and can even make appear to have a better colour. Can you clarify this?

 

I have recently done a search using the site's Diamond Finder (great tool) and have come across a few stones for my criteria from EnchantedDiaminds.com. The thing is, the prices do seem to be substantially lower than many other sites so I wanted to ask if you knoew the reason for this and whether you can recommend the company.

 

For instance, the criteria I entered are;

 

Price: $3,300 - 4,500

Carat: 0.90 - 1.00

Colour: E - F

Clarity: SI1 - VS2

 

Have included: GIA, AGS - I have avoided EGL as I have read that their gradings vary quite a lot from that of GIA, AGS and HRD, and avoided their 'In-house' cert as I do not know what their benchmarks are. Would you agree with this?

 

If posible, I would like to replicate the DeBeers Promise Ring (Link) and was wondering if you might be able to recommend anywhere that may stock this type of band (a 'duo-shank platinum band') ?

 

I do apologise for all the questions, there seems to be so much information from so many sources that its difficult to establish whats correct, or just marketing spiel.

 

Thanks :)

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Be wary of drawing conclusions about the difference between any clarity grades based on the plot on a grading report. The amount of "stuff" is nowhere near a guide to how visible the inclusions are or how bothersome they can be (e.g. a single small black crystal that gets reflected 8 times can be a lot worse than a large white cloud that does not).

 

I'm curious as to where you have seen that DR's FAQs advise against fluorescence - as far as I know, this is the only tutorial page on fluorescence, and nowhere does it quote it as a negative factor (other than the relatively rare overblue stones): http://www.diamondreview.com/tutorials/diamond-fluorescence

 

You are in my view doing well at limiting your search to GIA and AGS graded stones; there is nothing intrinsically wrong with EGL graded stones, but the grading is simply not reliable enough to be a help in comparing - never mind purchasing.

 

EnchantedDiamonds is a relatively new advertiser on the DiamondFinder; I can only imagine that they are willing to sacrifice some margin to establish themselves in the market against the incumbents; they advertise many of the same stones as Blue Nile or others do, but at lower prices.

 

I have not seen similar designs to the DeBeers one, but it should not be an issue to find people willing to "get inspired" by it.

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I took a look at that site. The stones with the low prices were very poor on the cut grade. For instance a .90 ct. VS2 F for $3900 but it was a very deep stone and even though it had an excellent polish and symmetry the cut grade was only good.

 

There is a reason why generally a stone will run less. There are hundreds of stones "listed" just like everyone else. Did you ever wonder why so many price difference? Sometimes the difference won't be noticable to you as a consumer, but there are reasons why one .90 ct. VS2 F runs over $5000 and another one is only $3900. Mostly cut grade. A poor cut grade won't sparkle even though it is a nice color and clarity grade.

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Hi and thanks for your replies, they are very helpful indeed!

 

Davidelevi -

Yes, I'm seeing that the types of inclusions actually make a big difference to the appearance to the naked eye. As you mentioned, a small crystal will give the appearance of a much larger blemish. A guy at Brilliance.com mentioned that a GIA cert SI1 diamond or above "will not show inclusions to the naked eye", can you clarify?

 

Regardsing the fluorenscence, I believe I had a quick skim of the glossary which states:

"A bluish glow within the diamond when exposed to ultraviolet light. Some people like fluorescence and some don't. In any case, strong fluorescence should be avoided." So, would I be right in thinking that I should stick to ratings of below 'medium' to be on the safe side?

 

Jan -

I agree, my first instinct was to think that there must be an inferiority with one or more of the properties, or that it's 'clarity enhanced', or similar.

 

I wonder if I could ask for any guidance in choosing a stone as I seem to be going 'around the houses' looking for one at the moment. :blink: My budget is around $4400 for the stone and my research so far has lead me to beleive that the following criteria lays around the sweet spot with regards to largest carat/clarity/best overall. Of course, any modifications are welcome :) Also, I noticed that some stones can be too deep, what would you recommend I should keep as the min/max dimensions of the stone when looking?

 

Your advice is very much appreciated :)

 

GIA preferably, AGS, or HRD certs

Shape: Round Brilliant

Colour: F-G

Clarity: SI1

Carat: 0.9

Cut: Good-Excellent

Polish: Good-Excellent

Symmetry: Good-Excellent

Fluorescence: None-Medium

Cutlet: None

Non Clarity Enhanced

Depth: ?

Table: ?

Girdle: ?

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Cut good-excellent is a HUGE range; it practically covers the whole market. I would suggest that you start focusing on GIA Excellent / AGS 0-2 cut. I also hope I'm wrong, but I don't think you will get a G/eye-clean SI1/well cut/0.90 non-fluorescent stone for $4500; you'll need $5k or a little more, or you need to relax some of the parameters. For example, going below 0.90 will make a significant impact on the price.

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Hi if your looking for loose GIA diamonds in the UK I highly recommend www.stevenstone.co.uk who sell diamonds for jewellery but also specialise in loose GIA Diamonds. They are also the cheapest I have come across.

 

I did a comparison for the diamond you posted matching the diamond grades here - http://www.stevenstone.co.uk/diamond-display.php?did=5136575284 and without VAT for the same diamond with the same quality Steven Stone Jewellers are £243.929 cheaper. So if you have the budget to spend more you could get a Better diamond at Steven Stone. I would also recommend that you stick with a GIA certified diamond – give them a call they are really helpful and friendly.

 

To answer you other question, there is no visible difference between E and D coloured diamonds as when they are set you can’t tell the difference.

 

 

Hope I've helped :)

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I did a comparison for the diamond you posted matching the diamond grades here - http://www.stevensto...?did=5136575284 and without VAT for the same diamond with the same quality Steven Stone Jewellers are £243.929 cheaper. [snip]

But those two stones (the first one that asimov posted in his OP and the one just above) are not "the same grade". The first one is Excellent cut, the second is Very Good. And a 10% difference is the minimum I would expect in this case.

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Hi all,

 

Davidelevi -

you're absolutely correct, the range of stones from Good-Excellent is pretty much the whole spectrum. I have decided to go with a Very Good and possibly an Excellent (but I doubt I will find one together with the other criteria to fit within my budget). Also, you could be right in saying that I may have to raise my budget a little to get the stone I mention. however, I have found a number of stones fitting the criteria from EnchantedDiamonds, I would appreciate your comments on why they are sold at that price. It would also so a good learning tool for me, if you wouldn't mind?

 

1.

 

2.

 

3.

 

4.

 

Sarah -

Thanks for the suggestion, the site looks good, with great explanations, etc. The prices are very good too. I wonder if you can tell me if thay are flexible with negotion on the price at all. I know that many jewellers, can drop 10-15% quite easily?

 

So I guess the new spec would be:

 

Budget: ~$4400

GIA preferably, AGS, or HRD certs

Shape: Round Brilliant

Colour: F-G

Clarity: SI1

Carat: 0.9

Cut: V.Good+

Polish: VGood+

Symmetry: Good+

Fluorescence: None-Medium

Cutlet: None

Non Clarity Enhanced

Depth: ?

Table: ?

Girdle: ?

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Hi all,

 

Davidelevi -

you're absolutely correct, the range of stones from Good-Excellent is pretty much the whole spectrum. I have decided to go with a Very Good and possibly an Excellent (but I doubt I will find one together with the other criteria to fit within my budget). Also, you could be right in saying that I may have to raise my budget a little to get the stone I mention. however, I have found a number of stones fitting the criteria from EnchantedDiamonds, I would appreciate your comments on why they are sold at that price. It would also so a good learning tool for me, if you wouldn't mind?

 

1.

 

2.

 

3.

 

4.

 

Sarah -

Thanks for the suggestion, the site looks good, with great explanations, etc. The prices are very good too. I wonder if you can tell me if thay are flexible with negotion on the price at all. I know that many jewellers, can drop 10-15% quite easily?

 

So I guess the new spec would be:

 

Budget: ~$4400

GIA preferably, AGS, or HRD certs

Shape: Round Brilliant

Colour: F-G

Clarity: SI1

Carat: 0.9

Cut: V.Good+

Polish: VGood+

Symmetry: Good+

Fluorescence: None-Medium

Cutlet: None

Non Clarity Enhanced

Depth: ?

Table: ?

Girdle: ?

 

 

Your best bet would be to call them – 0161 233 9977 and ask for Zack who helped me to discuss the prices of the diamonds, I know they are experts and would offer you the best quality at the best deal. No sure about the diamonds above.

 

I’ve just seen in an earlier post that you wanted to replicate a DeBeers Promise Ring, which is also possible to do at Steven Stone as they provides a bespoke jewellery making service.

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Hi all,

 

Davidelevi -

you're absolutely correct, the range of stones from Good-Excellent is pretty much the whole spectrum. I have decided to go with a Very Good and possibly an Excellent (but I doubt I will find one together with the other criteria to fit within my budget). Also, you could be right in saying that I may have to raise my budget a little to get the stone I mention. however, I have found a number of stones fitting the criteria from EnchantedDiamonds, I would appreciate your comments on why they are sold at that price. It would also so a good learning tool for me, if you wouldn't mind?

 

1.

 

2.

 

3.

 

4.

 

Sarah -

Thanks for the suggestion, the site looks good, with great explanations, etc. The prices are very good too. I wonder if you can tell me if thay are flexible with negotion on the price at all. I know that many jewellers, can drop 10-15% quite easily?

 

So I guess the new spec would be:

 

Budget: ~$4400

GIA preferably, AGS, or HRD certs

Shape: Round Brilliant

Colour: F-G

Clarity: SI1

Carat: 0.9

Cut: V.Good+

Polish: VGood+

Symmetry: Good+

Fluorescence: None-Medium

Cutlet: None

Non Clarity Enhanced

Depth: ?

Table: ?

Girdle: ?

 

 

Stone #1 on your list is steep and deep with medium blue and that is why it runs less.

 

Stone #2 is also a deep stone, couldn't find the lab report on that one.

 

Stone #3 is also a deep stone and will look small for the weight. More like a .80 ct. Stone has a high crown and deep pavilion or steep and deep

 

Stone #4 is a deep stone with a very high crown, and strong blue fluorescence.

 

That is why those stones run less.

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Great advice guys :)

 

Sarah -

That sounds good, I think I will once I have a little more information. And with regards to The Promise Right, its good to hear that they do bespoke jewelery, too!

 

Jan -

Thats very interesting, Hearts and Arrows are considered one of the best cut diamonds in the industry, right? Can I ask at what shop/site (price-wise) you are basing your suggestions for the stones you mention above (ie. "Something ideal cut with a AGS performance report for SI1 clarity and I color in the .90 ct. ranges", or the 0.86ct, VS2, Hearts and arrows, etc)? Also, how do the Hearts and Arrows cuts differ from the 'Super Ideal' cut?

 

I have found a stone on Brilliance which appears good for the price but again the diemensions may not be great;

 

http://http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/0.90-carat-round-g-color-si1-clarity-super-ideal-cut-gia-certified-loose-diamond-D12444674

 

Also, with regards to the links I pasted, I wonder if you might be able to suggest a set of dimensions which I should stay within so that I can avoid the ones that are too 'thick', 'deep', etc?

 

Many thanks again for the replies (apologies for all the questions), I'm learning so much! :)

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H&A is a property of the cut (and a relatively ill defined one at that) - some like it, some don't, but there are very well cut diamonds that don't display H&A patterns. Only pay for it if it is something you want.

 

I think the diamonds Jan is speaking of are diamonds in her current inventory. Give her a call or check her site (www.dbof.com).

 

It's difficult to comment on any of the Brilliance.com diamonds because they have the (bad) habit of not posting the GIA report or even its number on the site.

 

On proportions - there are two ways: 1) easy. Trust the GIA/AGS cut grade. GIA in particular covers quite a lot of ground with "Excellent", but there are no dogs in there. 2) understand cut a little more - here's a starter: http://www.gia.edu/diamondcut/pdf/cut_fall2004.pdf .

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Great advice guys :)

 

Sarah -

That sounds good, I think I will once I have a little more information. And with regards to The Promise Right, its good to hear that they do bespoke jewelery, too!

 

Jan -

Thats very interesting, Hearts and Arrows are considered one of the best cut diamonds in the industry, right? Can I ask at what shop/site (price-wise) you are basing your suggestions for the stones you mention above (ie. "Something ideal cut with a AGS performance report for SI1 clarity and I color in the .90 ct. ranges", or the 0.86ct, VS2, Hearts and arrows, etc)? Also, how do the Hearts and Arrows cuts differ from the 'Super Ideal' cut?

 

I have found a stone on Brilliance which appears good for the price but again the diemensions may not be great;

 

http://www.brillianc...amond-D12444674

 

Also, with regards to the links I pasted, I wonder if you might be able to suggest a set of dimensions which I should stay within so that I can avoid the ones that are too 'thick', 'deep', etc?

 

Many thanks again for the replies (apologies for all the questions), I'm learning so much! :)

 

 

We actually carry the ideal cut hearts and arrows diamonds with performance reports. I was talking about stones that we have available currently.

 

The last stone you referenced has medium yellow fluorescence and that is why it runs less. Also who says it is super ideal? Not GIA.

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