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Help! Which Of These Two Diamonds Should I Buy?


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Please help, I'm proposing next week and deciding between these two diamonds. Which one should I buy, what is the better deal? The discernible difference to me is that diamond 2 is .19 ct bigger, $500 less, but the table width is worse (59% to 56%). Your help is most appreciated!

 

Shape and Cut: Round Brilliant

Weight: 2.07ct

Measurements: 8.16-8.12 x 5.08mm

Total Depth: 62.4%

Table Width: 56%

Crown height: 16%

Pavilion Depth: 44%

Girdle Thickness: Slightly Thick, faceted

Polish: Excellent

Symmetry: Excellent

Cutlet: None

Clarity Grade: VS2

Graining: very slight

Color Grade: G

Fluorescence: None

Cost: $12948

 

Shape and Cut: Round Brilliant

Weight: 2.26ct

Measurements: 8.43-8.37 x 5.25mm

Total Depth: 62.4%

Table Width: 59%

Crown height: 15%

Pavilion Depth: 44%

Girdle Thickness: Medium, Faceted

Polish: Excellent

Symmetry: Excellent

Cutlet: None

Clarity Grade: VS2

Graining: Nil

Color Grade: G

Fluorescence: None

Cost: $12550

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The real question is another one: who graded these stones G/VS2? And since from the information you have provided it is neither GIA nor AGS, how do you know that the grades are comparable (never mind to GIA, but to each other - EGL grades are rather inconsistent even within the same lab, never mind across EGL affiliates)?

 

In turn this brings up the question of cut quality: you are not given (or you haven't posted) the most relevant information to even guess at cut quality: crown and pavilion angles. Table (and to a large extent depth) is irrelevant, and a 56 or 59% table can correspond to a wonderfully cut stone or a piece of glass.

 

FWIW: neither stone is a G/VS2 based on GIA standards: they would be priced in excess of $20k if they were, regardless of cut quality, fluorescence or other factors. And since the price of a GIA report for a 2.00 - 2.99 stone is about $150, it's nothing to do with "GIA is expensive". From which follows that neither is likely to be a good deal.

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Thank you for your reply, both of these have been graded by EGL. Both of these are being sold by different online wholesalers and are both listed as the respective company's "ideal/best" cut. One is Union Diamond the other is Brilliance.com.

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So, in practice, you don't know much about the clarity, colour or cut of either diamond... Have you asked what information/research did UD or Brilliance use to determine the cut "grade"? Are these relevant? Comparable? Do they even have the diamond in hand? (They may or may not - both companies have a lot of virtual inventory).

 

Bear in mind that it is not chance that those diamonds have an EGL report, and an EGL report that does not specify a cut grade. This is because someone with decades of experience in the diamond industry thinks that they can claim a higher price by selling them as "discount" G/VS2 than as "normal" (or possibly even not-so-good") J-K/SI.

 

If someone in the selling chain (cutter/wholesaler/distributor/retailer) thought the diamond marketing would be easier/price higher with a GIA report, they would have got one - here's the current fees schedule for GIA www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/fees_payment/lab_fees/Lab-Fee-Schedule-Diamond-US.pdf.

 

As I mentioned, the cheapest GIA/AGS 2.00-2.25 G/VS2 sells for slightly over $20k, and you go to nearly $40k for a top flight stone. If all that's different is "the piece of paper", getting an extra $7500 -or $27500 - for $150 is not a bad bargain, and any business worth its salt would do it, don't you think?

 

One last point - neither UD nor Brilliance are "wholesalers". Selling one diamond at a time to a consumer is retailing. They both have competitive prices, and are good outlets to do business with, but wholesalers they are not.

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