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Hi Everyone,

 

I am need to the diamond world.  I want to engage to my long term (9 years) high school sweet heart.

 

Can anyone help me review this diamond?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1380141.asp

 

I am not sure if it's good or bad.  I have a tight budget of 5K.  Am I wasting my money?

 

Thanks everyone!

 

 

 

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Not getting engaged to your high school sweetheart is bad. Not doing so after 9 years is very bad. Thinking of not getting her a diamond after 9 years is very very bad.

 

But perhaps you weren't asking about this.

 

The diamond is good.

 

More seriously - it's very well cut, a more than reasonable size (although it's still only 0.09 carats per year - mind you, it took me 24 years to get to this point...), it will look white from whatever angle you look at it. Some of the inclusions may be visible in particular conditions, though the setting can take care of hiding the feathers at 10 o'clock in the photo. Nothing rings alarm bells or massive warning signals; the feathering along the girdle edge is OK as long as it's not right where the thin portions of the girdle are, but you need someone (appraiser, bench jeweller) to see the diamond in real life to tell you if this is likely to cause problems.

 

Is it the right one? It depends on what you are after; it is a pretty good compromise on size, colour and clarity, favouring cut, and it fits nicely within your budget (considering a few hundreds for a simple, good quality setting). I'd be happy getting it, but I'm not your girlfriend. What does she want? (Apart from an end to the wait, I mean.)


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Davide--I can't help but laugh! You always crack me up! Such a character!

 

But I totally agree on what he said about the diamond! I think it's a pretty good looking stone, and the picture (and of course the "loupe") are way magnified from what the diamond size is in real life, so I think anything little bitty that I can see on that won't really be visible in real life, so I'd call it pretty eye-clean (esp if you're looking at it at a normal distance, like you would look at a ring on your own hand...8-20 inches from your eye. Wow...that was a long sentence! Anyway...I think it's a good pick and a fair price, good grading (ie, GIA and AGS are *the* labs to pick from, IMHO!). Considering who you're shopping with, too, if you buy it and aren't impressed, they have a fair return policy. Give it a shot. Worst thing that could happen is that you don't like it in person and you're out the postage and insurance to return it, but I don't think you'll have that problem.

 

Now....how does one propose after 9 years? Gotta be a good one!

 

(don't mind us...we're just having fun! No pressure! She likes ya well enough to stick around 9 years without a rock, I'm sure she'll stick around maaaaaany more, no matter what you say when you give this to her :) )


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I was telling my co-workers about this website and they all decided to check it out with me. We then all together read Davidelevi's post and broke out in laughter! So thank you for the humor!!!

 

Also, thank you for the critiques. One co-worker told me just to go to the diamond district in NYC since I work two blocks from it. But for some reason I like to be able to see up close. I feel like I am getting scammed somehow down there. That said do you think I can get a stone just as good and similar size for a cheaper amount? Am I paying for something I wont notice?

 

I am old school. I think the man should pick out the ring. I see something nastalgic (sp?) about doing so. After nine years the best way to purpose would be just to do it! At this point I don't think she cares anymore! :)

 

I dont want to over think the process. I won't be able to sleep soon if I learn too much. That's why you guys are so great. Thanks again!

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Question for you:

 

Have you ever seen any diamonds live?

 

If not, it might be a good idea for you to visit jewelers to view and compare GIA or AGS graded diamonds.


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:)

 

Glad you took our words how they were meant--hard to read tone of voice in type and all that--so we all totally like you already, too! :D

 

That said, I would say that it would NOT be a bad idea to go to the diamond district to get a little in-person, put-your-eyes-on-it education. Just because you talk to a jeweler, that does not a contract make. If nothing else, somewhere down the line, you might be buying other (not nearly *as* important) jewelry, so even if you don't buy from anyone you talk to down there, it's good to know who you feel comfortable with and might go to in the future. As long as you let them know, up front, that you're JUST LOOKING and learning, you're not doing wrong or "wasting their time". Who knows--you might find a real gem (no pun intended, I promise!). But this way you can see what relative sizes look like in person (give or take, again, depending on how well it's cut and a little on what the girdle thickness is), what Colors and Clarities look like relative to each other. You might see something you like. If you do, come back here, plug the basics into the "diamond finder" and compare. If it's in the right ballpark and you're comfortable with the dealer, THAT might be a go. If nothing else, tossing the basics into the "diamond finder" might give you a little bargaining power with the brick-and-mortar if you can show similar stones a little cheaper and want to buy in person. BUT, as some of my colleagues here might chime in with--if you order from an e-tailer, and they have a reasonable return policy (ie give you about 30 days to evaluate and return if you don't like it, no restocking) if you DON'T like it, the worst you're out is the shipping and insurance to send it back. Til you decide you're keeping it, you're really only kinda borrowing it, with a full-price security deposit ;)


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If you keep looking you'll get more comfortable.

 

Just remember to compare diamonds that are of the same cut quality so that you have a standard baseline for comparison.


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Re: diamond district. There's the good, the bad and the ugly there. Mostly ugly, particularly on the ground floor. By any means, go and take a look. Leave your credit cards somewhere else to avoid temptation, and wear boxing gloves so you can't sign anything (and get rid of the more obnoxious "pushers"). It's fun, but it's also information overload, and far from making comparisons easy the hubbub and sheer quantity of stuff on show is overwhelming.

 

Is a 0.97 round F/VS2 EGL-I for $8700 good? What about that GIA G/VS2 1.02 for $100 less? But it was only a good cut. Hey, mister. You buying or selling? Wait - the setting, platinum, gold, or tin? Highest prices paid for gold and diamonds. Mister, you buying or selling? Everything 70% off. Ah, hang on - Certified Diamonds - by our in-house GIA certified gemologist; is that the same as a GIA report? Mister, you buying or selling? Hey, mister? Mister?

 

Hey, officer, I dunno, he was there, looking lost and then he just started crying. I swear, I didn't touch him!

OK, sorry, I'm having fun writing - and that's before I start drinking. But 47th Street is a bit like that, and the chances of you finding a real deal just by "turning up" are below zero. If you go there to see specific people/firms because you have a solid recommendation, and you treat the rest as street entertainment, then it's OK, but you need to do your research first.

 

Bear in mind that the cost of a pure-play internet dealer like JA are generally lower than those of a "brick and mortar" operator - and Diamond District leases at ground level are very expensive. To get an idea if the price quoted is competitive, plug the colour, clarity and size (0.80 - 0.89) in the Diamond Finder, and see what others are quoting for similar stones. Remember that cut (and other minor factors like fluorescence) will impact the price, and so will the visibility or otherwise of inclusions in an SI-graded stone. Also remember that EGL grades are not comparable to GIA or AGS.

 

ETA - Barry and Laurie are also entirely right that it helps to see more rather than fewer diamonds; I'd rather do that a few streets uptown, on 57th and 5th, where it's quieter, more comfortable and I'm sure that I'm seeing diamonds that are fairly graded (even if not by GIA - it's Tiffany's main store). No need to buy there either.

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Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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My lunch hr today was spent in the district. Haha what a place!

 

What turned me off what this. I get it. I look around and talk to the lady. She shows me a 1ct solitaire ring. "good" cut, g to h color, and s1-s12. She said for $3500 cash it's mine. White gold setting. I didn't see anything wrong with it but I just think after looking online that sounds too cheap. Or I am overpaying for crap! That is what made me go to jamesallen.

 

It's hard for me. I am just not good at this stuff!

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Thanks guys. I'll check out the dealers a little more north. David. You sound lime you worked on 47th! Today it was more like " you got gold? I'll buy it".

 

This is my question. What is hunting down a diamond going to really do for me? Am I going to end up paying 500 less or getting a 500 dollar better diamond. I heard of people searching for months. But I could be working during that time vs searching. Is my price range one that has a huge variance in price and quality?

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Thanks guys. I'll check out the dealers a little more north. David. You sound lime you worked on 47th! Today it was more like " you got gold? I'll buy it".

Our office is on 47th... but on the 9th floor. ;)

 

This is my question. What is hunting down a diamond going to really do for me? Am I going to end up paying 500 less or getting a 500 dollar better diamond. I heard of people searching for months. But I could be working during that time vs searching. Is my price range one that has a huge variance in price and quality?

In quality - yes. In the sense that for $5000 you can get ugly diamonds or nice diamonds. You can get a 2 carat CE diamond of undefinable and undefined colour, and you can get a D/IF 0.50. Or you can get a premium cut, near-colorless, decent size diamond like the one you picked.

 

Looking at it the other way, can you shave a few hundred dollars from "something like an 0.82 AGS-ideal H/SI1"? Maybe, but not much more than $2-300. The market for small, commercial diamonds is fiercely competitive, and very transparent. Any bargains tend to get snapped up very quickly.

 

I think that you should look at your visits to 47th (or where-ever else) as opportunities to figure out what is it that you (or your fiancée-to-be) may like more. What you have picked is an absolutely fine option; it is also an absolutely average choice - perhaps not quite average, because of the cut, but by and large "standard". I don't know you or your other half; when we were looking at jewellery for "our" engagement ring, my wife said she did not want a traditional "white diamond" thing. The result?

 

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Definitely not for everybody, particularly as an "engagement" ring, but not average (after 24 years, perhaps it's easier to be original, but after 9 you can maybe dare a little more than a white solitaire?)

 

So, back to your case: would you rather have white, or would a much larger light yellow work? Or an equally-sized intense yellow? Or a super-white D/IF Asscher? Or a nice ruby? Or... I mean, the possibilities are almost endless, and your budget is not so modest that you are severely limited. If you are set on a round, near-colourless diamond, I think you cannot do much better than what you have chosen. If you aren't sure, then going around and seeing different colours, cuts, shapes, gem types, ... can only be fun. We are always here to help you make sense of it.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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Hey David,

 

Thanks for all the advice.

 

 

After seeing that picture and knowing that you are on the 9th floor on 47th street you actually might be the person that sold my co-worker her ring.

 

Do you specialize in antique style rings? Have you ever sold something to a Greek woman named Zaharo? Her husband is Tom.

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Hi Newbie,

We are on the ninth floor- but do you know how many ninth floors there are on 47th st??:)

 

Seriously- I don;t think we were that same place your co-worker shopped- she would have showed you our website.

 

IN terms of the diamond- I think it's a very good idea to do your due diligence- and your presence here proves you have.

In terms of where to buy- that's where I'd put my efforts into deciding.

Each of the better sellers offers different advantages.

For some, it's a blue box.

For Internet shoppers it might be the lowest price, or a slightly higher price, with a better level of service.

I'd suggest talking to the places you're interested in- and see how you feel.

A great thing about the internet is that bad news travels pretty fast, when it comes to a bad seller.

Barry is great- James Allen is another great seller.

Make sure you get a money back guarantee- some of the nice gentlemen on 47th street , street level don;t very much like us giving that advice....

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Hi Newbie,

We are on the ninth floor- but do you know how many ninth floors there are on 47th st??:)

 

Seriously- I don;t think we were that same place your co-worker shopped- she would have showed you our website.

 

IN terms of the diamond- I think it's a very good idea to do your due diligence- and your presence here proves you have.

In terms of where to buy- that's where I'd put my efforts into deciding.

Each of the better sellers offers different advantages.

For some, it's a blue box.

For Internet shoppers it might be the lowest price, or a slightly higher price, with a better level of service.

I'd suggest talking to the places you're interested in- and see how you feel.

A great thing about the internet is that bad news travels pretty fast, when it comes to a bad seller.

Barry is great- James Allen is another great seller.

Make sure you get a money back guarantee- some of the nice gentlemen on 47th street , street level don;t very much like us giving that advice....

 

Hi,

 

I see some nice things on your site. Maybe I can stop by this week?

 

I am on 46th and 6th.

 

Thanks!

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Give us (or rather David - I'm in Switzerland at the moment) a call on 1-877-952-8736. We have an office with plenty of diamonds but it's not a shop, and it can't really accommodate more than a few people at any one time.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
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I did call David.  He's a great guy.

 

I am trying to learn about stones.  I picked this one out which I thought was good for my budget.

 

Can you guys tell me if I did a good job?

 

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Cushion-Diamond-1362068.asp

 

I want to have some more knowledge before picking out a stone.  This is a trail run to see how I did.

 

BTW, she wants a cushion stone with halo band. =)

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Cushions are the hardest shape to shop for online b/c they vary SO much--not to mention that there are 2 different cutting styles (Brilliant and Modified Brilliant). And they are my favorite shape. So...I would say that if you like everything about it on paper, I'd go ahead and get it and see how you like the look of it in person. If you don't absolutely love it, you're only out shipping and insurance to get it back to them. And congrats on finding one that is on the square side--those are so much more difficult to find. Now, does James Allen carry a halo setting or are they willing to custom make one for you if you DO love this diamond? If so, hopefully they'll pick up the return postage to get it back to them to have the ring made :) If not, time to start looking for a good, trustworthy jeweler to get that sucker set for ya! :)


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Personal point of view - based on one photo and a GIA report.

 

Colour and clarity you are doing fine.

Carats you are consistent (and probably budget limited)

Cut... well, based on that one photo (and that's really all I have to judge), I'm not convinced. The photo is taken with a technique meant to emphasise contrast and allow easy visibility of inclusions, which is irrelevant with a VS1. On the other hand, the diamond looks fairly dull and possibly with dark spots - which may be exclusively an effect of the photo, but it might not.

 

JA classes this as "ideal cut" - have you asked them:

 

1. PRECISELY how they determine it. If it's by looking at table and depth %, I suggest you ignore their judgement altogether.

 

2. What PRECISE impact is the grading "ideal" going to have vs. an "Excellent" or whatever they use as the next grade.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Hum. I thought these were layman terms. ;):ph34r:

 

And in fact you can limit yourself to the first one:

 

"How did you (JA) determine that the diamond I am considering is 'Ideal Cut'? Which information did you use to make that decision? Did someone at JA actually see the stone and compare it to some standard?"

 

If the answer is - as I suspect it will be - "looking at depth and table %" or some gobbledegook that does not involve actually having the stone and looking at it, then you can proceed on the basis that it means nothing except "someone somewhere has priced this so that it implies it is well cut; we believed them".

 

The second question could be translated as "What do you mean by 'Ideal Cut'? What is the standard that you measured this stone against, and why is that a valid standard?"

 

Hope this makes more sense, but if it doesn't I'll try to rephrase again! :)

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Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Hum. I thought these were layman terms. ;):ph34r:

 

And in fact you can limit yourself to the first one:

 

"How did you (JA) determine that the diamond I am considering is 'Ideal Cut'? Which information did you use to make that decision? Did someone at JA actually see the stone and compare it to some standard?"

 

If the answer is - as I suspect it will be - "looking at depth and table %" or some gobbledegook that does not involve actually having the stone and looking at it, then you can proceed on the basis that it means nothing except "someone somewhere has priced this so that it implies it is well cut; we believed them".

 

The second question could be translated as "What do you mean by 'Ideal Cut'? What is the standard that you measured this stone against, and why is that a valid standard?"

 

Hope this makes more sense, but if it doesn't I'll try to rephrase again! :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. I have been looking all night!!

 

I think this is better! http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Cushion-Diamond-1362067.asp

 

Please let me know guy how I did!!

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