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Appearance/substantive quality: yes, but difficult to say. And some of it may not be apparent without a loupe or even x-rays.

 

Platinum prongs are better in as much as platinum is more resilient to impacts and has no "memory" (springiness). Does it make a lot of difference? Not really.


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Thanks. just from the specs/measurement below (ignore the inclusions for a moment), which one would you think better? thanks again. based on my personal review, they both are pretty much the same. it is now my preference whether i want a bigger diamond and sacrificing the color. Do you think G and I color will really make a difference? what is HCA rating btw?

 

Stone#1:

1.1 carat, G color, VS2, Depth 62.3%, Table 55%, 6.59x6.62x4.11, HCA 1.6 EX, crown 34.9, pavillion 40.8

Stone#2:

1.24 carat, I color, VS1, Depth 61.7%, Table 55%, 6.89x6.92x4.26, HCA 1.2 EX, crown 34.4, pavillion 40.8

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Most people have a hard time seeing the difference between G and I but yes, it has a significant affect on the price. Is that difference important to YOU? Apparently not. The same can be said for the difference in size by the way. #2 is 0.14cts bigger. That's not a whole lot but it's adds about 10% to the price. It's up to you to decide if that's where you want to spend your money.

 

HCA stands for 'Holloway Cut Advisor'. It's a cut evauation tool by Garry Holloway (http://www.diamond-cut.com.au/holloway_cut_adviser.htm). I don't count it as especially useful for your situation but in any case it's FAR less important than the issue of who provided the rest of the grading. If it was GIA, why hasn't your seller included the cut grade and, if it's not GIA, who is it and why are you inclined to believe them? Back to HCA ... Anything below 2.0 is considered by the designer (Holloway) to be top shelf goods. 1.2 or 1.0 is NOT described as 'better' than a 1.99.

 

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they both are AGS certified. btw they both are triple ideal in cut, polish and symmetry. i am not sure about the inclusions as they are checking/inspecting it for me at the moment. but from the plot, it is pretty much same. i know we can't just rely on the plot.

 

the price is actually $200 lower for the G color. they both are around $9.5K. do you think the price is reasonable? btw they both are H&A.

 

Most people have a hard time seeing the difference between G and I but yes, it has a significant affect on the price. Is that difference important to YOU? Apparently not. The same can be said for the difference in size by the way. #2 is 0.14cts bigger. That's not a whole lot but it's adds about 10% to the price. It's up to you to decide if that's where you want to spend your money.

 

HCA stands for 'Holloway Cut Advisor'. It's a cut evauation tool by Garry Holloway (http://www.diamond-c...cut_adviser.htm). I don't count it as especially useful for your situation but in any case it's FAR less important than the issue of who provided the rest of the grading. If it was GIA, why hasn't your seller included the cut grade and, if it's not GIA, who is it and why are you inclined to believe them? Back to HCA ... Anything below 2.0 is considered by the designer (Holloway) to be top shelf goods. 1.2 or 1.0 is NOT described as 'better' than a 1.99.

 

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to include the above link or not. Admin, please feel free to delete it if it's against the rules.

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The AGS cut grading system is MUCH more specific and much more useful than the HCA.

 

Are they from the same dealer?

 

I don't give value conclusions on stones I've not seen and where I haven't had the opportunity to discuss circumstances with the client but given the length of your shopping experience, you surely have a pretty good feel for the prices. On a pure replacement cost basis, I would expect the G/VS2 to a little more than the I/VS1, not a little less.


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thanks. so the diamond market actually emphasize more on the color than the carat weight at least it is what is shown in the price. correct?

 

i am still undecided on the ring setting. I want 18K a yellow gold band with platinum prong. One website that I originally thought would buy from was $375. Then I am looking at these current diamonds and would like to have the mounting done in one place (buy both diamond and ring setting), but the setting is expensive about $550 + $150 upgrade to platinum prong = $700 vs $375. If it is really better quality then I don’t mind paying for it. otherwise just waste of money. then it is convenient as I were to buy the stone from them. If I bring it to my local jewelry, not sure how much the setting cost, which at the end would not save much. What do you think?

The AGS cut grading system is MUCH more specific and much more useful than the HCA.

 

Are they from the same dealer?

 

I don't give value conclusions on stones I've not seen and where I haven't had the opportunity to discuss circumstances with the client but given the length of your shopping experience, you surely have a pretty good feel for the prices. On a pure replacement cost basis, I would expect the G/VS2 to a little more than the I/VS1, not a little less.

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Put it this way: neither diamond crosses a significant threshold in size, which would make the price/carat move considerably. And G should be ~20% more than I, so the size increase should come up as less money (10%) than the colour. But then consider clarity (G/VS2 vs I/VS1), and you are back where you started. Which give or take 2% is what is happening, right?

 

All things told, I'd plump for the I. It's going to be just visibly larger, and colourwise you'll have a hard time telling the difference, considering the quality of cut. But that's me!


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+color, -clarity, -weight.

 

It will generally cost more to replace a 1.11/G/VS2 than a 1.24/I/VS1 that is otherwise identical and in the same marketplace. The difference is less than, say, the sales tax rate variation between suburbs of the same city so I wouldn't suggest this be the deciding issue. You've seen them both, buy the one you like the best. 'Estimated replacement cost' is academically interesting but it's NOT a reasonable basis for making a selection.


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That's what I thought and that's my preference as well. I'll wait to see how the inspection results come up in determining the inclusions. Thanks a lot!

 

Put it this way: neither diamond crosses a significant threshold in size, which would make the price/carat move considerably. And G should be ~20% more than I, so the size increase should come up as less money (10%) than the colour. But then consider clarity (G/VS2 vs I/VS1), and you are back where you started. Which give or take 2% is what is happening, right?

 

All things told, I'd plump for the I. It's going to be just visibly larger, and colourwise you'll have a hard time telling the difference, considering the quality of cut. But that's me!

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Thank you. I will keep you guys posted.

 

+color, -clarity, -weight.

 

It will generally cost more to replace a 1.11/G/VS2 than a 1.24/I/VS1 that is otherwise identical and in the same marketplace. The difference is less than, say, the sales tax rate variation between suburbs of the same city so I wouldn't suggest this be the deciding issue. You've seen them both, buy the one you like the best. 'Estimated replacement cost' is academically interesting but it's NOT a reasonable basis for making a selection.

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one of the stones (VS2) said: "clarity grade of this diamond is based on clouds that are not shown". What is this really mean? Anything to be concern just from this remark? does it mean that this diamond could have been VS1?

 

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No. It means that there is a number of clouds that are somehow difficult to plot in an easy-to-understand/locate on a 2D map of the diamond (perhaps their axes are perpendicular to the table, so they look like "cloudy lines", or they overlap in the 2D section and thus a drawing would be confusing)

 

Nothing to worry about.


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:P I finally got mine. I really love it. Here is the pic. Enjoy. I love the real one than the pic. The pic does not look that great. It is very very brilliant and sparkle. thanks all for the advice. What do you guys think?

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Hej Davide, I want to thank you a lot as you have helped me through this purchases by giving me lots of knowledge. I ended up getting the VS1. I looked at the pictures again in large size...and saw so many bumps. I think it is probably the picture effects cuz it is definitely eye clean and not that bumpies. What do you think?

 

Again Tack!

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If by "bumps" you mean the apparent inclusions - don't worry: it's just dust!

 

Keeping a diamond clean so that it photographs well at that resolution is an impossible task. You wash it, wipe it, and by the time you press the button on the camera, the dust is back.

 

Here is a VS2 that I had cleaned literally a few seconds before taking the photo... and there's dust on it already!

 

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great, thanks a lot! I really gained lots of knowledge from this website particularly from Davide and Neil!!! It was not easy to finally find the diamond that satisfy me. I am very happy with this one compared to the Leo that we returned before. Unlike Leo, this one is really sparkle as I can't really see the inside from the table as it sparks so much. now i know what brilliance means and how brilliance looks like. but the price is doubled thou :unsure: . Also the article about Tolkowsky that Davide posted, that's really great. I read and read again and again and I really used that as my base in purchase, particularly the angle pavilion degree. It took me more than 1 month to finally settle with this one.

 

I tried to soak this ring in dish soap with warm water. I dont know if it is necessary or will make a difference. any thought? but i read so many articles and this is what they recommend.

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Dish soap (washing-up liquid if you are in Britain) is fine; avoid soaps for washing skin or clothes - they usually contain moisturisers and additives that form a film on the diamond surface. Also, a baby toothbrush (or adult soft toothbrush) helps to clean the pavilion, which is the most critical part to get a shiny, shimmery diamond. Enjoy!


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Agreed. And you don't need to soak it--just put a little dish soap (sans any lotions/conditioners) on a soft-bristle toothbrush (this is to keep from scratching the metal of the ring--you won't hurt the diamond no matter the brush! ;) ) and give it a good go--esp underneath the diamond as best you can, and rinse with warm water. Shake it off or let it dry on a clean towel or paper towel a few min, and you're good to go. Sparkly as new! And yes, jewelry--esp diamonds--are notoriously hard to photograph, so don't sweat it. It's beautiful :)


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Thank you. Do we need to do this every day?

 

Agreed. And you don't need to soak it--just put a little dish soap (sans any lotions/conditioners) on a soft-bristle toothbrush (this is to keep from scratching the metal of the ring--you won't hurt the diamond no matter the brush! ;) ) and give it a good go--esp underneath the diamond as best you can, and rinse with warm water. Shake it off or let it dry on a clean towel or paper towel a few min, and you're good to go. Sparkly as new! And yes, jewelry--esp diamonds--are notoriously hard to photograph, so don't sweat it. It's beautiful :)

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If you *really* want to, but unless your gal is slathering on lots of hand lotion or doing other really messy things with her hands with the ring on, it's not necessary. Just give it a little spiff-up cleaning whenever it starts to look a little dull or dirty, or when the mood strikes.


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Another good tool for cleaning jewelry are those personal steamers. We sell those and they are awesome! The steamers hold about 8oz of water and actually are pretty powerful. Once you clean the jewelry in warm soapy water or a sudsy ammonia and rinse it, the steamer drys and shines it eliminating the dust or lint you would get from drying it with a paper towel or cloth. Also, you have less water spots on the jewelry too. You could also just use the steamer by itself, but using it in conjunction with the other cleaning methods really gives you that professional clean look you want. They are pretty affordable too. :)

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Hi there, can anyone help me? I am choosing between 2 diamonds and need some advice on the preferred diamond based on the gia reports. Can I send them through to someone for an expert opinion? Please let me know as I am completely confused and there seems to bs a lot of expert advice and informed opinions in this forum ! Thanks !!

I am also confused In regards to crown, pav and table measurements!!!

Btw, can I post certs on this? I can't find the link do I am happy to email them to whoever!

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