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Um. Rather different from the first stone you were looking at (never mind the Leo). And twice the price.

 

Points to consider:

 

1. What does it look like in different lighting environments? Even within the store, ask them to take it (and you) to the back office, or somewhere with diffused lighting. Take it to the front window. Ideally, out in the street, not in direct sunlight. Do you still love it?

 

2. There's a fair amount of small inclusions right under the table. Can you see them (without a loupe) in any of the lighting environments above? Does this bother you?

 

Other than that, it's an honestly described diamond (Very Good but not top cut - no tricks or caveats there) at a competitive price. And here we enter again the same territory we were in last time you posted: is this something I would buy? No; for the same reasons as the first one. Does it matter? No.


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Thanks Davidelevi,

Yes, I chose to look at larger diamonds, as origionally, I was looking at a setting with quite a bit of diamonds in it - I have found a setting that I like with minimal diamonds, this pushed me in the direction of finding something possibly larger in the center...

 

I did look at this stone, and I couldn't see any inclusions in any type of lighting situation. That said, I did think it was nice - I didn't find it breath-taking though... that is what I am looking for. Although very clear to the eye and pretty, I was hoping for a little more fire and brilliance (sparkle.) maybe I am being unrealistic...

 

I know a lot depends on personal preference, but in your opinion would it make sense to focus on tripple Ex stones, then look at clarity, then color... I know they are all relative, but I am looking for a general idea on which would be best to "settle" for as no doubt, I will not be getting a D IF Tripple X stone...

 

I guess I am asking what do you want to compromise on first, the second..etc..

 

I appreciate the assistance.

Um. Rather different from the first stone you were looking at (never mind the Leo). And twice the price.

 

Points to consider:

 

1. What does it look like in different lighting environments? Even within the store, ask them to take it (and you) to the back office, or somewhere with diffused lighting. Take it to the front window. Ideally, out in the street, not in direct sunlight. Do you still love it?

 

2. There's a fair amount of small inclusions right under the table. Can you see them (without a loupe) in any of the lighting environments above? Does this bother you?

 

Other than that, it's an honestly described diamond (Very Good but not top cut - no tricks or caveats there) at a competitive price. And here we enter again the same territory we were in last time you posted: is this something I would buy? No; for the same reasons as the first one. Does it matter? No.

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Okay, I have a few more questions, if I haven't worn out my welcome yet..

 

I was hoping someone could provide me some guidance... I have been looking at diamonds of those I know trying to figure out what attracts me to some and not so much others - what I have found is that I tend to prefer a blueish tint or reflection if that makes sense, as opposed to the more white brilliance..the more colors reflected, the better for me, but the blue is nice to me. Question is, what causes this? Unfortunately, with the ones I have found that I like most, no one seems to remember anything about their ring to give me details. So, is there anything I can do to try to narrow down my search on this.. for example, does a certain color, or cut tend to produce more blue return?

 

A couple of question sI have is regarding a couple of things I read - and would like confirmation if these are true or not...

If you use a platinum or white gold setting, to get a color of higher than I is a waste of money, as you will not notice the difference in this setting...?

 

A good option is to purchase a J or K color stone and get strong blue florecence and it will be just as white and brilliant as a G-I color stone..?

 

If two diamonds have the same clarity, color, and size, polish, sym,..flouro..etc,, going from GIA cut VG to EX would have not much benefit or noticiceable improvement..?

 

I appreciate anyone who would like to share their thoughts on this posting, and sincerely appreciate the time...thank you

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The majority of the colors you see coming back from a diamond are coming from the lighting and reflections of your clothing and the environment around. Blue sky, for example, does a lot for making stones look blue. The spectral effect that diamonds have is called fire but it doesn’t really bias towards the blue.

 

If you use a platinum or white gold setting, to get a color of higher than I is a waste of money, as you will not notice the difference in this setting...?

 

No. People buy D-F colors for largely symbolic reasons and, given that symbolism is the whole point of diamonds, it’s a bit hard to call them wrong over it. There ARE people who can spot the difference between an F and an H and D’s DO have a certain ‘icy’ look to them that’s missing from I’s. I would make no claim that this is ‘better’, but it’s definitely different, it definitely drives up the price and some customers like it enough to be willing to pay the price.

 

A good option is to purchase a J or K color stone and get strong blue florecence and it will be just as white and brilliant as a G-I color stone..?

 

Blue florescence tends to mask yellow body color under UV intensive lights. It’s highly debatable whether this is ‘better’ but, outside of direct sunlight, the disco and the tanning salon, most people spend very little time in UV rich environments. In fact, most people in the US spend most of their lives in environments with zero UV at all. Under such conditions, UV florescence will have no affect at all.

 

If two diamonds have the same clarity, color, and size, polish, sym,..flouro..etc,, going from GIA cut VG to EX would have not much benefit or noticiceable improvement..?

 

VG and X both describe a range of stones, actually a fairly large range each, and these ranges border each other. VG-X cut encompasses something like 80% of the available diamonds. As with the above, I’m nervous to use words like ‘improvement’ but some diamonds with similar clarity and color can look remarkably different from one another. GIA-excellent is, in general, a more popular look and, in general, it trades at a premium for that reason.


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Okay, I have a few more questions, if I haven't worn out my welcome yet..

This is what this forum is for. You most definitely are welcome back to ask questions, post photos, chit chat and whatever else. :)

 

Some comments in addition to Neil's

 

I was hoping someone could provide me some guidance... I have been looking at diamonds of those I know trying to figure out what attracts me to some and not so much others - what I have found is that I tend to prefer a blueish tint or reflection if that makes sense, as opposed to the more white brilliance..the more colors reflected, the better for me, but the blue is nice to me. Question is, what causes this? Unfortunately, with the ones I have found that I like most, no one seems to remember anything about their ring to give me details. So, is there anything I can do to try to narrow down my search on this.. for example, does a certain color, or cut tend to produce more blue return?
A ray of light will be split into a rainbow when put through a prism - all colours will be present. Which colour you will see "in" the diamond depends on the angles of incidence and observation but above all about what is in the environment. No way of making one colour consistently come up more than others when the diamond moves about.

 

A couple of questions I have is regarding a couple of things I read - and would like confirmation if these are true or not...

If you use a platinum or white gold setting, to get a color of higher than I is a waste of money, as you will not notice the difference in this setting...?

My anecdotal experience is that either a person notices the difference in colour irrespective of the setting, or he/she doesn't - it's a matter of sensitivity to colour, and some people have it some don't (I don't - I can see F vs. H only from the side). Also, it depends on whether you mean through the side in a fairly open, high setting or seen top-down. It really does come down to personal preference as to whether you get "better value" from a D or from an I.

 

A good option is to purchase a J or K color stone and get strong blue florecence and it will be just as white and brilliant as a G-I color stone..?
Nope. Get a badly cut I, and it will show colour. Get a well cut K without fluorescence and it will show up white from the top, but visibly tinted from the side in sunlight. Fluorescence will "whiten" yellow tints only in sunlight anyway.

 

If two diamonds have the same clarity, color, and size, polish, sym,..flouro..etc,, going from GIA cut VG to EX would have not much benefit or noticiceable improvement..?
Depends on which VG and which EX... these are ranges, and broad ones, too. It all goes back to personal taste as to which one you prefer; a recent poster here came up with a VG cut diamond that (on paper) I liked a lot more than many EX, and he paid less for it than for a so-so (for me) EX. Edited by davidelevi

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Have another stone I would like an opinion on if possible...

GIA Report Check

 

GIA REPORT NUMBER: 5111103325

Report Type:GIA Diamond Grading ReportDate of Issue:September 14, 2009Laser Inscription Registry:5111103325

ROUND BRILLIANT

Measurements:7.60 - 7.70 x 4.74 mm

Carat Weight:1.71 caratColor Grade:DClarity Grade:SI1Cut Grade:Excellent

PROPORTIONS:

Depth:62.0%Table:57%Crown Angle:33.0°Crown Height:14.5%Pavilion Angle:41.2°Pavilion Depth:43.5%Star length:50%Lower Half:75%Girdle:Medium to Slightly Thick, FacetedCulet:None

FINISH:

Polish:ExcellentSymmetry:Very GoodFluorescence:NoneComments:Clouds are not shown.

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This looks more interesting (to me, at least); I cannot believe it's the same price, though... or something is amiss.

 

Two key questions:

 

1. Do you know if the stone is going to be eye-clean to your satisfaction?

 

2. Can you see and compare to others, or is it a "remote" deal? If so, what are the return terms?


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Hi

It is being brought into the local store that I am working with from a dealer.. Because I couldn't see the map, I am unsure where the inclusions are, but was told they are not on the table...

 

The price I was given on this was $15K - that was going to be my next question if you even thought it was worth looking at...

 

This looks more interesting (to me, at least); I cannot believe it's the same price, though... or something is amiss.

 

Two key questions:

 

1. Do you know if the stone is going to be eye-clean to your satisfaction?

 

2. Can you see and compare to others, or is it a "remote" deal? If so, what are the return terms?

 

 

 

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I am unsure if this post went through previously... I had posted it earlier today but have not seen it on this thread... I was wondering, do you offer any sort of "Finder" services for a fee? In other words, if someone who needs help (like myself) gives specifics on what they want (color, cut..etc and budget) and then you provide them with a choice or two on what you would consider the best quality and value..? I know beauty is subjective, but I think you could rule out 100 that I would waste my time looking at or folks like me...

Anyway, I am just curious, as I think there would be a good market for that :)

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Location is one component (and you can't really work it out from the plot) - how large they are and what colour they are is often as important...

 

I'd say it's worth a look. And it costs you relatively little to do so. The thing that worries me is that you are escalating in price very quickly, and specs are also varying by a lot. I'm not sure what matters to you most: cut, size, colour - but you should probably try to narrow this down (and perhaps seeing a D rather than an I is a good way to decide on the last one, at least).


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I see and appreciate your concern with my lack of "focus" and a plan with this... I am not sure if this will make sense, but hopefully it will.

I do not have a specific focus on what I want, at least I didn't and know I am learning. That's why I started out with a Leo. My budget is fairly generous (in my opinion at least) on what I am willing to spend, but it doesn't mean I want to spend it all. I would like to get one ring, that I love - I want to look at it daily and have it be exactly what I wanted - unfortunately, I am not sure what that is except for brilliant. I, on the other hand do not intend to spend over 15K on a stone. This was the top of the limit that I wanted to go - of course, if someone offered me a 2.5CT D IF Tripple X for 18K I would take it!

 

And back to the Leo - once I really looked at it in normal light, even if I hadn't overpaid for it, I would have returned it if it were a few thousand less - it just didn't have the fire I wanted, so it isn't all about getting a good deal - or not being taken I should say.

 

I think for size, I have decided on 1.7 - 2.5 range. I have size 6 3/4 fingers with larger knuckles and think this size looks good without being too much.. I think 3 would be heading into the "too much" range for me...I am interested in D but the cost is limiting, I currently am thinking to stay above I as I like the whiter appearance for this particular stone, but again would be open - It all just comes down to how much fire and brilliance can I get in a stone of this size for the limit I have....

 

That said, I obviously want to get the best for my dollar AND still love the ring. Maybe I am not being realistic, but for example I do not want necessarily a 2.5 at the cost of a poor cut and no brilliance...Or I haven't yet seen an I1 or I2 that I am happy with. Until now, I haven't even looked at anything in the D range, but do like the "icy" look you see in some of them.. (if not all)

So, for my budget I am trying to find the "one" stone that has it all or as close as I can get with my budget. That is why I have been seeking your opinions here.. which have been so very much appreciated.

 

I hope this helps explain things - I am open to any suggestions, criticisms, or anything at all that would be helpful

Location is one component (and you can't really work it out from the plot) - how large they are and what colour they are is often as important...

 

I'd say it's worth a look. And it costs you relatively little to do so. The thing that worries me is that you are escalating in price very quickly, and specs are also varying by a lot. I'm not sure what matters to you most: cut, size, colour - but you should probably try to narrow this down (and perhaps seeing a D rather than an I is a good way to decide on the last one, at least).

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OK. May I suggest that cut is the dominant variable in how a diamond looks. Colour - to me at least - is a matter of taste. And clarity is largely a rarity matter once the inclusions are invisible to the naked eye.

 

So, assuming you agree, before you start choosing candidates for buying, start looking for candidates to understand cut and how the various proportions and angles impact looks. This GIA paper is a good place to start to get some theory: http://www.gia.edu/diamondcut/pdf/cut_fall2004.pdf, but the trick is in seeing as many diamonds as you can and look for patterns in their appearance. Do you like high crowns or low crowns? Broader or thinner main pavilion facets? Larger or smaller tables? A highly symmetrical or more disordered look? All of these (and plenty of others) are perfectly legitimate preferences - and let no-one tell you otherwise. Some combinations are reputed "better" because they meet the taste of more people or require higher effort to obtain, and thus trade for higher prices - if you don't like those, you are lucky.

 

Then, once you are armed with knowledge about what you (may) like, you can really start focusing on finding something that is cut how you want it, is as large as possible, as white as possible and as free of inclusions as possible (and this seems to me to be the order in which your priorities lie).


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Fantastic advice - as always. Thank you - I will read this information and believe I need to change the way I am looking at these stones a bit... You brought up some good things for me to think about - I do prefer a higher crown.. I do prefer a slightly larger table..I like the thinner pavillion facets.. I just never thought about it in those terms... Thank you very much - I appreciate this fantastic advice!

Now I just need to learn what is considered a "higher crown" or "thinner" facets..etc... I will check out this link and appreciate it - I will let you know how I make out if you like...

OK. May I suggest that cut is the dominant variable in how a diamond looks. Colour - to me at least - is a matter of taste. And clarity is largely a rarity matter once the inclusions are invisible to the naked eye.

 

So, assuming you agree, before you start choosing candidates for buying, start looking for candidates to understand cut and how the various proportions and angles impact looks. This GIA paper is a good place to start to get some theory: http://www.gia.edu/d...ut_fall2004.pdf, but the trick is in seeing as many diamonds as you can and look for patterns in their appearance. Do you like high crowns or low crowns? Broader or thinner main pavilion facets? Larger or smaller tables? A highly symmetrical or more disordered look? All of these (and plenty of others) are perfectly legitimate preferences - and let no-one tell you otherwise. Some combinations are reputed "better" because they meet the taste of more people or require higher effort to obtain, and thus trade for higher prices - if you don't like those, you are lucky.

 

Then, once you are armed with knowledge about what you (may) like, you can really start focusing on finding something that is cut how you want it, is as large as possible, as white as possible and as free of inclusions as possible (and this seems to me to be the order in which your priorities lie).

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Thank you! Okay - so, I went today to see that "D" color diamond I posted about. It is BEAUTIFUL! The inclusions are very small and not black - not visible (to me) at all with the naked eye... they are on the side, and away from the center. It is gorgeous. I took it into all different light, and was very impressed with the brilliance and fire I could see - even with the cloudy day..

I made a mistake when I posed the price. It is not $15K, I mixed up something else I had written down. It is$16.5K. I looked at bluenile.com, jamesallen.com..etc and it seems like a good price, but (and sorry again) but would you mind confirming if this is a good price for this stone. I value the expert opinion more than my own online searching :)

 

Thank you,

Nanci

 

Definitely! And come back with questions! :)

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The best thing to look on is at the top of the page at the "Diamond Finder" tool and plug in the specs. Honestly, it'd be the same thing we'd do to compare. Have a look and see if what they're asking you for what you've looked at fits comfortably within the price range that you're seeing. Too far either direction, and there might be a red flag, but somewhere nicely in the middle there...you know you're on point :)


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Thanks Laurie, I did that, and if you take out the ones that are EGL - Israel, then it seems to be good.

I have to ask - only because I always do :)... Is this a stone any of you would buy? If not, is it like the last ones, and because it just doesn't excite anyone, or any other reason? Just curious...

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It is more "exciting" (to me at least) - if nothing else because it's a D, and they are a little bit special. The main thing is that it seems to excite you - and that's always a good sign.

 

Do you have a Tiffany store nearby? Just for the fun of it, go there and compare... not the prices, but the cut. If you still feel that the 1.71 D/SI1 looks at least as good as any there, then go for it!


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Thanks, Davidelevi, Again - great advice. I do have one nearby, and will do that... I am curious, do you recommend them because they have the "best of the best" so it is a good place to research, or for another reason. Also, I am assuming I should look at similar ratings there - (D SI1..) to get the comparison. I also wonder if you know if their rating is GIA, as I know they offer their own certs with rings, so just didn't know if there is any alteration when evaluating ratings..

Lastly, when I looked at the stone, I compared it to other SI1 stones as well as VS2 - it (to me) looked more like a VS2. Although I have learned my way around a loop these few weeks, I am not obviously nearly as competent to make that call as you folks are - just was curious if I should check out the "v" group at Tiffany's too..?

 

THANKS AGAIN!!!

It is more "exciting" (to me at least) - if nothing else because it's a D, and they are a little bit special. The main thing is that it seems to excite you - and that's always a good sign.

 

Do you have a Tiffany store nearby? Just for the fun of it, go there and compare... not the prices, but the cut. If you still feel that the 1.71 D/SI1 looks at least as good as any there, then go for it!

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The reason I'm suggesting Tiffany is because they have reasonably well cut (and above all, consistently cut) diamonds. Don't worry about clarity or colour too much; focus on brightness, scintillation, fire and contrast patterns - pick something roughly the same size and see if you like it as much, less or more as the one you have just seen.

 

I believe Tiffany now use their own lab to grade all stones except possibly for very important ones (>5.00 ct) where they may still have a GIA grade. Since the stone you are looking at is GIA graded, there is no doubt that it is what it says on the tin...


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Thank you for the advice - I am looking forward to it - never thought I would diamond browse at Tiffany's, so thank you for giving me a valid reason to do so!

BTW, I just now noticed your website address - you have gorgeous items!

The reason I'm suggesting Tiffany is because they have reasonably well cut (and above all, consistently cut) diamonds. Don't worry about clarity or colour too much; focus on brightness, scintillation, fire and contrast patterns - pick something roughly the same size and see if you like it as much, less or more as the one you have just seen.

 

I believe Tiffany now use their own lab to grade all stones except possibly for very important ones (>5.00 ct) where they may still have a GIA grade. Since the stone you are looking at is GIA graded, there is no doubt that it is what it says on the tin...

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You're welcome - Do you create all your own jewelry? It is fantastic. I love the Vintage style cut stone - from old Europe or something of that nature - how gorgeous! I know a nice group of women who are going to be viewing your site in addition to myself. You should be very proud of these gorgeous items..

Thank you!

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With very few exceptions, it's all custom made in our factories. The yellow old miners are cut to order for us; some are using cutting patterns dating back to 1850 or earlier. I am very proud indeed.

Edited by davidelevi

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You should be - they are fantastically gorgeous! I have another quick question - only because I couldn't seem to find this in my searching - what change in CT weight is noticeable visually? For example, if you are looking at one ring that is 1.8CT vs 2.0 ct would it be that much of a difference, as I know the weight jumps...? is there a "threshold" of size that becomes more noticieable? I know a lot would depend on cuts, but in general for a round stone? I just want to make sure as I come closer to making a final decision I have as much information as possible...

 

Thank you!!

 

 

With very few exceptions, it's all custom made in our factories. The yellow old miners are cut to order for us; some are using cutting patterns dating back to 1850 or earlier. I am very proud indeed.

 

 

 

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