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I am going to be getting engaged in the very near future, i love the http://www.harrywinston.com/ if you click english the first ring that pop's up on the screen " white gold cushion cut stone set in mirco pave ring " is the exact ring. I cannot afford Harry Winston, so I am having the exact ring /setting made by an excellent local Jewelry store. The diamonds they use are imported direct from Isreal, and they have a very good ;local reputation.

 

I know very little about diamonds, these are the two stones they have in stock in 1ct cushion cut. Which one do you recommended i purchase and why? and what should I be paying for a stone like this?

 

Also, should i be asking about other specs that are very important? that are not listed below? I want to make sure its a Great stone!

 

Thank you very much for your help!!

 

 

 

G.I.A grading report

Cushion Cut Stone - 1

 

-1.03CT

-6.67*5.18*3.82MM

-COLOR G

-CLARITY VVS2

-POLISH GOOD

-SYMMETRY GOOD

-FLUORESCENCE NONE

-TABLE 64%

-DEPTH 73.7%

Cushion Cut Stone - 2

-1.03 CT

-6.38*5.32*3.85MM

-COLOR E

-CLARITY VS2

-POLISH GOOD

-SYMMETRY GOOD

-FLUORESCENCE FAINT

-TABLE 70%

-DEPTH 72.40%

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Hi bling - welcome!

 

Unfortunately, it's very tough to advise on cushion cuts sight unseen. The best advice anyone can give you is to look. And then look again, and then look at some more, and keep looking.

 

Let me illustrate why with a couple of examples:

 

 

post-11046-1238750805_thumb.jpg post-11046-1238750906_thumb.jpg post-11046-1238755077_thumb.jpg

 

These three are all "cushions" (photo courtesy of Diamonds by Lauren - David, let me know if it's not OK and I'll remove them!). Depths between 53 and 68%, tables between 55 (est.) and 61%. ... looks as far apart as you can get them, and yet they are all good stones.

 

As far as prices go, E/VS2 stones are listed between $3300 and just under $6000, and G/VVS2 have a similar price range (perhaps a little less at the top end). However, given the broad range, this is only useful if the jeweller you plan on using is giving you estimates that are way out of this range...

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I am still unclear, the VVS2, G color is the one I am leaning on getting, i looked at both stones and they both looked great, but to a novice like me that is not saying much :(

 

How are the specs on the VVS2?

 

I am buying this today, so i really need some more advice!!

 

Thank you :rolleyes:

 

 

I am going to be getting engaged in the very near future, i love the http://www.harrywinston.com/ if you click english the first ring that pop's up on the screen " white gold cushion cut stone set in mirco pave ring " is the exact ring. I cannot afford Harry Winston, so I am having the exact ring /setting made by an excellent local Jewelry store. The diamonds they use are imported direct from Isreal, and they have a very good ;local reputation.

 

I know very little about diamonds, these are the two stones they have in stock in 1ct cushion cut. Which one do you recommended i purchase and why? and what should I be paying for a stone like this?

 

Also, should i be asking about other specs that are very important? that are not listed below? I want to make sure its a Great stone!

 

Thank you very much for your help!!

 

 

 

 

G.I.A grading report

 

Cushion Cut Stone - 1

 

-1.03CT

-6.67*5.18*3.82MM

-COLOR G

-CLARITY VVS2

-POLISH GOOD

-SYMMETRY GOOD

-FLUORESCENCE NONE

-TABLE 64%

-DEPTH 73.7%

Cushion Cut Stone - 2

 

-1.03 CT

-6.38*5.32*3.85MM

-COLOR E

-CLARITY VS2

-POLISH GOOD

-SYMMETRY GOOD

-FLUORESCENCE FAINT

-TABLE 70%

-DEPTH 72.40%

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Those 3 pictures you uploaded, the 1st one looks perect, then the second one looks Very Yellow, and the last one has a big hint of yellow also!

 

I want to make sure the stone i am buying looks white like the 1st one...

 

I noticed the top of the pictures say " reduced and a % " what does this mean ???

 

With G color and VVS2, i should not have any YELLOW tint to the stone, at least that a naked eye could see.. correct?

 

 

 

I am still unclear, the VVS2, G color is the one I am leaning on getting, i looked at both stones and they both looked great, but to a novice like me that is not saying much :(

 

How are the specs on the VVS2?

 

I am buying this today, so i really need some more advice!!

 

Thank you :rolleyes:

 

 

I am going to be getting engaged in the very near future, i love the http://www.harrywinston.com/ if you click english the first ring that pop's up on the screen " white gold cushion cut stone set in mirco pave ring " is the exact ring. I cannot afford Harry Winston, so I am having the exact ring /setting made by an excellent local Jewelry store. The diamonds they use are imported direct from Isreal, and they have a very good ;local reputation.

 

I know very little about diamonds, these are the two stones they have in stock in 1ct cushion cut. Which one do you recommended i purchase and why? and what should I be paying for a stone like this?

 

Also, should i be asking about other specs that are very important? that are not listed below? I want to make sure its a Great stone!

 

Thank you very much for your help!!

 

 

 

 

G.I.A grading report

 

Cushion Cut Stone - 1

 

-1.03CT

-6.67*5.18*3.82MM

-COLOR G

-CLARITY VVS2

-POLISH GOOD

-SYMMETRY GOOD

-FLUORESCENCE NONE

-TABLE 64%

-DEPTH 73.7%

Cushion Cut Stone - 2

 

-1.03 CT

-6.38*5.32*3.85MM

-COLOR E

-CLARITY VS2

-POLISH GOOD

-SYMMETRY GOOD

-FLUORESCENCE FAINT

-TABLE 70%

-DEPTH 72.40%

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I think Davide is showing you examples of the differences in cutting, not color. Look at the shapes and patterns of the reflections in the stone as well as the general outline.

 

A correctly graded G color will not show any color for most people although this does depend on your vision and the lighting environment. Heck, a correctly graded J is barely detectable to most folks under ‘normal’ viewing conditions. The way to decide is to actually look at some diamonds. Most jewelers have a selection they can show you and if you go in and ask to see some GIA graded stones that are otherwise similar you’ll be able to see what the differences are and to decide where your own threshold of sensitivity is.

 

Neil

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Thank you for posting those Davide!

The point blinghelppls, is that the best expert in the world can't tell you much with the info from the GIA report.

Hopefully the guy you picked is a specialist in that type of micro-setting.

Even if the stone is perfect, the ring is going to make a huge difference on the total look.

 

Congrats by the way!

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100% agree with Neil and David.

 

Sorry for not making this clearer - what I was trying to show you was that nowhere on the grading report you find information about how those diamonds actually look apart from the colour. All you'd know is that one is an E, another one is an U-V and the third one is an M, but they look very different independent of the colour.

 

At any rate - if you like the G/VVS2 stone, go for it. A GIA-graded G will show up absolutely white to pretty much everybody once set. And clarity has no impact on the colour - it's the extent of inclusions that the stone has; with a VVS2 they will be totally invisible without a loupe or microscope.

 

(BTW the % sign is just something that the forum software puts on the thumbnail to indicate how compressed the picture is compared to the original - if you click on the photo it will pop up with the "uncompressed" version)

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I spent two hours today going back and fourth looking at the two stones.

 

The one i ended up going with was :

 

Cushion Cut Stone - 2

 

-1.03 CT

-6.38*5.32*3.85MM

-COLOR E

-CLARITY VS2

-POLISH GOOD

-SYMMETRY GOOD

-FLUORESCENCE FAINT

-TABLE 70%

-DEPTH 72.40%

 

What is stressing me is the fact that it says " fluorescence faint " on the GIA cert.

 

The diamond was cut amazing , had a great sparkle, looked really white " e color "

 

but i want to make sure that its not only a great looking stone, it is a great quality stone.

 

Please advise?

 

 

I think Davide is showing you examples of the differences in cutting, not color. Look at the shapes and patterns of the reflections in the stone as well as the general outline.

 

A correctly graded G color will not show any color for most people although this does depend on your vision and the lighting environment. Heck, a correctly graded J is barely detectable to most folks under ‘normal’ viewing conditions. The way to decide is to actually look at some diamonds. Most jewelers have a selection they can show you and if you go in and ask to see some GIA graded stones that are otherwise similar you’ll be able to see what the differences are and to decide where your own threshold of sensitivity is.

 

Neil

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The VVS2 G color only when compared next to the VS2 E color stone looked more yellow, I am sure if they had not been side by side they would have looked both super white.

 

 

 

The main reason I happen to choose the VS2 E color was the super whiteness of it , and more so the shape is was a perfect cushion shaped square.. and the VS2 appeared much larger.

 

 

 

Where as the VVS2 G color was more of a rectangular shape.

 

 

 

Again, it was a really hard choice..

 

 

 

On the GIA Cert the VVS2 G color only had one tiny red speck on the diagram, where as the VS2 E color has about 10 tiny red specs on the diagram. I looked for an hour under a magnifying glass and good not notice any inclusions on either stones.

 

 

 

What are your thoughts?

 

 

 

By the way, the VS2 E color is $500.00 more expensive than the VVS G color stone.

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Neil, what would you say the stone is worth? i paid wholesale so i am hoping i got a good price?

 

 

Congratulations.

 

There's a search box at the bottom left corner of this page and you can look up previous discussions on fluorescence. It'll give you plenty to read. The short answer is that faint fluro has no affect on either beauty or value.

 

Neil

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Congratulations!

I agree completely with Neil.

Faint fluoresence is totally meaningless, both from an appearance, as well as value standpoint.

 

You're dropping the "w" bomb.

When a seller is telling you you're buying it "wholesale" it really appears to be purposfully misleading.

What did the seller pay? That would have to be below wholesale, you'd think. How about the cutter?

When someon is buying only one diamond- or even a few.

They are purchasing as an end user. It's a completely different transaction than when we, as a retail seller, buy diamonds.

Most buyers wouldn't want to buy it wholesale even if they could, if they understnad the limitations.

You a want a money back guarantee- and other aspects to this where you need a professional to act on your behalf.

That's a retail transaction.

 

If you'd like to post the price you paid, I'l be happy to comment on the value- based upon the GIA grade, and you picking the stone visually.

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Neil, what would you say the stone is worth? i paid wholesale so i am hoping i got a good price?

 

As appraiser, I don't give value opinions on stones that I haven't seen because there are just too many variables that come into play although I'll be happy to arrange to look at it and give you an thorough opinion if you would like.

 

You can do pretty well yourself by clicking on the link at the top of the page titled 'find online jeweler' and entering a few numbers. This will give you what some of the participating dealers here are charging for superficially similar items. These folks tend to be on the low side, especially when compared to traditional jewelery stores. This works even if you have no intention of buying anything online although I must say, it's more useful to do this sort of thing before you cement a deal.

 

I agree with David about the use of the word 'wholesale'. It tells you nothing at all about the stone or about the price but it tells you quite a bit about the dealer, none of it good. Around here (Denver), at least 50% of the retailers describe themselves as wholesalers. I've even seen stores in the MALL do this! To call it meaningless is an understatement and it's become so ubiquitous that often the employees don't even know they're lying. Sad. :rolleyes:

 

Think of it this way. Assume for a moment that they really are a wholesaler. That is to say, they really are in the business of providing merchandise to stores who resell them to the public at higher prices. What are the chances that they're telling the stores that they're in direct competition with them for the business of their retail customers (you)? Zip, right? If they did they wouldn't have any dealer customers left and presumably these folks bring in a whole lot more business than you do. OK, so they are either lying to you or they are lying to their dealers. Either one is the same, they're lying. Here we have a business where you are betting a significant amount of money on the word and credibility of the dealer and where the very first thing they've told you is demonstrably a lie. This isn't a total deal killer but it sure is a step off on the wrong foot.

 

Neil

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I looked on bluenile.com, i searched VS2 E color cushion cut stones, i looked at about 20 GIA reports and they all have a couple of these red dot's on the GIA diagram, where as my GIA Cert has about 10 red tiny dots and one little red circle ???, i have not found one GIA cert with my specs that has as many little inclusions as my stone, does this mean my stone is worth a lot less? because i paid more than all VS2 e color ones I have seen on blue nile with less inclusions.

 

Also it is bad that my cut and polish are only graded " good " rather than VERY Good ?

 

Thank you very much for your time!! :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

 

Neil, what would you say the stone is worth? i paid wholesale so i am hoping i got a good price?

 

As appraiser, I don't give value opinions on stones that I haven't seen because there are just too many variables that come into play although I'll be happy to arrange to look at it and give you an thorough opinion if you would like.

 

You can do pretty well yourself by clicking on the link at the top of the page titled 'find online jeweler' and entering a few numbers. This will give you what some of the participating dealers here are charging for superficially similar items. This works even if you have no intention of buying anything online although I must say, it's more useful to do this sort of thing before you cement a deal.

 

I agree with David about the use of the word 'wholesale'. It tells you nothing at all about the stone or about the price but it tells you quite a bit about the dealer, none of it good. Around here (Denver), at least 50% of the retailers describe themselves as wholesalers. I've even seen stores in the MALL do this! To call it meaningless is an understatement and it's become so ubiquitous that often the employees don't even know they're lying. Sad. :(

 

Think of it this way. Assume for a moment that they really are a wholesaler. That is to say, they really are in the business of providing merchandise to stores who resell them to the public at higher prices. What are the chances that they're telling the stores that they're in direct competition with them for the business of their retail customers (you)? Zip, right? If they did they wouldn't have any dealer customers left and presumably these folks bring in a whole lot more business than you do. OK, so they are either lying to you or they are lying to their dealers. Either one is the same, they're lying. Here we have a business where you are betting a significant amount of money on the word and credibility of the dealer and where the very first thing they've told you is demonstrably a lie. This isn't a total deal killer but it sure is a step off on the wrong foot.

 

Neil

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I looked on bluenile.com, i searched VS2 E color cushion cut stones, i looked at about 20 GIA reports and they all have a couple of these red dot's on the GIA diagram, where as my GIA Cert has about 10 red tiny dots and one little red circle ???, i have not found one GIA cert with my specs that has as many little inclusions as my stone, does this mean my stone is worth a lot less? because i paid more than all VS2 e color ones I have seen on blue nile with less inclusions.

 

Also it is bad that my cut and polish are only graded " good " rather than VERY Good ?

 

Thank you very much for your time!! :rolleyes:

 

Trying to assess what a diamond's inclusions look like from a report plot is impossible. All the report plot should be used for is to help in the identification of the stone through its characteristics, not as a guide to how visibly included the stone is. Bear in mind that generally there is one "grading" characteristic, that is the inclusion that is easiest to identify (in your case probably the little red circle - a crystal or cavity).

 

The fact that your stone is graded VS2 means (roughly) that the grading characteristic is "somewhat difficult to identify" by a skilled grader under 10x magnification - this will be in common with all VS2 graded diamonds. The other inclusions on the plot will be more difficult to see, and as such are even less likely to make any visual impact. The number of inclusions matters little if you can't see them.

 

Differences in polish and simmetry (not cut - two rather different things) between good, very good and excellent are impossible to see with the naked eye. They will be there, and to some extent they will impact the price of the stone, but will do so marginally compared to other things like cut/proportions, clarity and colour. Is it "bad"? If you are looking for the uttermost in brilliance, it may be a minus point, but then you should not be looking at cushions...

 

On the price - bear in mind that a drop-shipper and a retailer based in a "real" store have two very different cost structures. They will also offer different services, such as the ability to see a stone and compare it to others in a convenient location with proper tools and an expert by your side. All of this has a cost - whether you feel that this type of offering justifies the higher price, is entirely up to you. No one is forcing you not to buy from Blue Nile.

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