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Told 1.84 Looks Like A 2 Carat. Good Stone? Good Value?

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Thanks guys- it is an interesting conversation.

We all know each other- Neil, Barry, and I - and Davide is also someone I know personally- so we actually know we're real people.

As this is "the internet", Cathy, please understand not everyone is really who they say they are.

Your actions certainly made it look as though you were here to promote a company- whether or not that is, in fact the case, it looks that way.

 

 

Barry Neil and I have been here for years doing this- and Davide although a more recent addition, is also a great resource for gemological info.

I can say without hesitation that all of these people have provided fair, and balanced info- well advised info.

 

Say someone asks " I'm looking at a %^^.&*carat diamond - is fluorescence a bad thing?"

If the answer is " Here's our $%^.^& carat diamond- we're ready to sell it to you."

How useful is that?

 

 

AS we've all said- thankfully you got a great diamond, and you're happy.

 

If anyone out is interested, think how a buyer might benefit from actually considering someone participating on a forum like this one.

It seems to be implicit that as a seller, you'd need to make absolutely sure your client is happy- otherwise, they are right here to discuss it.

David, I was not promoting a company, only showing my appreciation to that person and again I did not understand the politics behind this site. That person provided unlimited feedback and never once gave me a hard time about not buying from him. He was only happy to help! I also showed appreciation to Blue Nile for all their hard work and wonderful customer service even though I received that diamond with the obvious inclusion and returned it.

 

I too am a real person and feel I have a good head on my shoulders.

 

I don't what you mean by "Cathy, please understand not everyone is really who they say they are." ???

 

And finally, yes, if you do have a diamond that you think a buyer is interested in, tell them about it. I would have loved a suggestion from anyone of you. You, David have made it very clear that you would have liked the opportunity to sell a diamond to me. That would have been a step in the right direction! You said, Say someone asks " I'm looking at a %^^.&*carat diamond - is fluorescence a bad thing?" If the answer is " Here's our $%^.^& carat diamond- we're ready to sell it to you."

How useful is that?

I would say very useful because I would want to see this diamond that works for me. We are on this site to get useful information and find the right diamond. If I am listening to your input which I did, then I must have trusted you all to take a chance on a diamond.

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Cathy;

 

Thanks for your clarification and we wish you the very best.

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Hi Cathy, the reason you never saw a site listed on my responses or signature is that - like you - I am an addict consumer. As such, I cannot (and if I could, I would not) advertise or link to specific sites in my signature. My apologies if that wasn't clear.

 

I am also reluctant to suggest individual stones to people since I haven't seen them, and some vendors that I know would have or be able to provide excellent stones haven't got all the information about each one of them posted on their websites by default.

 

The main thing from my point of view is that you have found a stone that - I think - is much better than the ones you were looking at to begin with, and one that I hope you will love. Enjoy it in good health!


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Hi Cathy,

I'm sorry- I know it was simply a matter of crossed wires, I was only pointing how it could look.

Not that you are not who you say you are, but only to point out there have been many cases on all the diamond forums of people who were posting under questionable pretense.

Sorry if it came out that way.

In terms of the other thing....this is a very good point. In truth, I've recommended many people to Barry's site for Round Brilliant cuts- as we don't normally carry them.

I know he's done the same in cases where someone might have been looking for a fancy color.

I think part of the way to have different points of view, from people who are advanced and knowledgeable in the field, is for the professionals to give the advice in a neutral manner.

But it's also true that none of the professionals could afford to donate time here if there was no value from a professional sense.

 

 

 

Here's what strikes me- going back to your diamond...

The fluorescence seems to bother you in sunlight- to me, when you spend that kind of money, you should not need to "struggle".

Maybe it was just a matter of the way you put it, but it sounds like that bothers you.

Hopefully not, as you paid a very aggressive ( low ) price. I would hope you love it.

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Hi Cathy,

I'm sorry- I know it was simply a matter of crossed wires, I was only pointing how it could look.

Not that you are not who you say you are, but only to point out there have been many cases on all the diamond forums of people who were posting under questionable pretense.

Sorry if it came out that way.

In terms of the other thing....this is a very good point. In truth, I've recommended many people to Barry's site for Round Brilliant cuts- as we don't normally carry them.

I know he's done the same in cases where someone might have been looking for a fancy color.

I think part of the way to have different points of view, from people who are advanced and knowledgeable in the field, is for the professionals to give the advice in a neutral manner.

But it's also true that none of the professionals could afford to donate time here if there was no value from a professional sense.

 

 

 

Here's what strikes me- going back to your diamond...

The fluorescence seems to bother you in sunlight- to me, when you spend that kind of money, you should not need to "struggle".

Maybe it was just a matter of the way you put it, but it sounds like that bothers you.

Hopefully not, as you paid a very aggressive ( low ) price. I would hope you love it.

 

 

Now I see what you mean about people saying who they are. Gotcha. Anyways, I am very very pleased with my diamond especially the fact that it is a g color and eye clean for that price. Again, I have no other diamond to compare it to so that makes this difficult to say this is my final final decision. At this point, I would be afraid to send it back and not find a diamond like it again. So that probably speaks for itself. Thanks again for everyones help!

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Hi Cathy,

Wow your thread continues to pile up the pages, it will be very helpful for future RB buyers.

Concerning the fluorescence, of my two stones the GIA is strong blue, the AGS negligible... they look the same in every light, just the AGS seems to put off maybe a touch more fire/ brilliance? The SB didn't look any blue(er) than the AGS in any light. I wanted the SB 2.27 to win of course because it was bigger and less money. But a feather under the table ruined the party for the GIA (very hard to see but once you do it's easier to pick out), and the slight overall edge of the AGS (per the appraiser) got me.

If somebody wants a killer 2.27 GIA Ex cut it will be coming back on the market shortly- that white feather will get you though if your eyesight is sensitive.

Thanks! John


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I have been looking everywhere for the best and most affordable 2ish carat round diamond. I seem to have suggested diamonds from many jewelers.

 

One that I am really unsure of but sounds like a good deal is this diamond for $9700. He told me that it looks like a 2 carat and a beautiful diamond.

1.84 carat J color VS2

Very Good Cut, Symmetry and Polish

depth 59.2%

measurements are 7.99x8.09 x?

thin to medium girdle

 

Can anyone confirm that this is a good price and good diamond?

 

I think this is the diamond you are looking at

http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/search/...N=BSN0000648117

 

The price on Brilliance is about $800.00 less!

 

Steven

steven@brilliance.com

www.brilliance.com

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John;

 

What happened to the side-by-side pictures you promised us?

 

Especially helpful and instructive to consumers would have been photos of that neat under the table in darkness experiment you did on both diamonds to measure light performance.


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Hi folks, Barry I was joking about that not so scientific test of the two diamonds side by side and the blurred eye/ shade deal- but oddly it did seem that the AGS outperformed the GIA by a tiny bit looking at them like that. Of course I looked at them in every light and at every angle imaginable.. I tried posting the photos but for some reason it wouldn't take. They basically look the same- the camera wouldn't focus readily for a close up, and a shot of them further away doesn't show much? Maybe I need to reduce the size of the pics.

John


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Too bad.

 

One good visual far better to describe than words.


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Hi Guys, been following Cathy's thread closely... and thought I'd comment on the latest happenings with Cathy's post (her not looking at diamonds by Barry and David and others that have posted replies).

I know she has expressed her gratitude for your advice, guidance, and help, and I've found it invaluable as well.

OK- If you are a pro offering help and have a productive dialogue going with a potential buyer, and you have diamonds for sale that match the specific parameters they are looking for- I think you should feel free to offer them up for review.

Also in your signature line you might write a blurb about your business and what you specialize in so that folks like Cathy and I can see plain as day that you can offer us not only valuable guidance but great stones as well.

David and Barry: I reviewed both of your websites, David seeing that you offered primarily diamonds of a different variety than I was wanting I didn't inquire- but again the advice and commentary was awesome. I will remember that you were very helpful and if I have a pal looking for that type of diamond, sure enough I'll send them to you.

Barry I reviewed your site and saw some great diamonds, and asked about two in my thread (the first I may have confused your company with another Ideal/ Excel?), you asked that I register on the site which I did, and attached to my registry I believe 3 diamonds that looked promising- don't know if it was the junk mail filter or if I got lost in the shuffle but I never heard back and by then I'd zero'd in on the two diamonds I picked so I didn't inquire again. Your system of business definitely has it's perks so I will tell friends who are looking about it in the future if they don't want to go the drop-ship route.

 

I also inquired with 2 of the leading online dealers- one never responded and one just sent me a packaged list of all the 2+ carat AGS and GIA diamonds they had in the system under my specified price ceiling, some of good cut, and I'd specified EX or Ideal cut.

The company I ended up going with was responsive to any questions I had, and checked on any diamond I inquired about eagerly. Of course being a drop shipper there were added risks to me as the consumer such as the selling company not seeing the diamond in person, the drop shipper having to rely on the source to determine "eye clean", no sarin/ ideal-scope images etc... but in the end I felt like I had two winners to choose from so I went with them. The market transparency of seeing the same diamond offered by 3+ companies is very attractive, feels like true capitalism and that you are paying (low compared to B & M) fair market value.

 

So I guess the bottom line is that when shopping for a diamond there is a sense of mild terror probably due to the high price tag/ tiny item/ lack of knowledge/ black magic involved, and in the whirlwind of emotion and the steep learning curve a buyer may be obtuse to some things that seem obvious to the pros and those posting responses on these threads? Plus a buyer is looking high and low for guidance and is shopping at boutiques, mall jewelers, maybe estate sales, resales, drop shippers, online, NY, who knows where so they may not know to click on the link by your name to check out your diamonds, they may just assume that if you have a great stone in their budget you'll offer it up for review.

That same buyer, if they are lucky, runs across these message boards or a helpful honest pro, and sees the light, learns, and makes an informed decision.

Anyways, don't know if I helped at all to give the consumers side of what happens but I felt compelled to comment. Again what you guys/ gals do writing total strangers and giving your expert opinion is very much appreciated by beginners (me), novices, and I'm sure even experienced purchasers- so thank you very much.

John


John, Southeast NC

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I have been looking everywhere for the best and most affordable 2ish carat round diamond. I seem to have suggested diamonds from many jewelers.

 

One that I am really unsure of but sounds like a good deal is this diamond for $9700. He told me that it looks like a 2 carat and a beautiful diamond.

1.84 carat J color VS2

Very Good Cut, Symmetry and Polish

depth 59.2%

measurements are 7.99x8.09 x?

thin to medium girdle

 

Can anyone confirm that this is a good price and good diamond?

 

I think this is the diamond you are looking at

http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/search/...N=BSN0000648117

 

The price on Brilliance is about $800.00 less!

 

Steven

steven@brilliance.com

www.brilliance.com

 

 

Interesting. Yes, that must be the one. I did move on from that one quite a while ago though!

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Hi Guys, been following Cathy's thread closely... and thought I'd comment on the latest happenings with Cathy's post (her not looking at diamonds by Barry and David and others that have posted replies).

I know she has expressed her gratitude for your advice, guidance, and help, and I've found it invaluable as well.

OK- If you are a pro offering help and have a productive dialogue going with a potential buyer, and you have diamonds for sale that match the specific parameters they are looking for- I think you should feel free to offer them up for review.

Also in your signature line you might write a blurb about your business and what you specialize in so that folks like Cathy and I can see plain as day that you can offer us not only valuable guidance but great stones as well.

David and Barry: I reviewed both of your websites, David seeing that you offered primarily diamonds of a different variety than I was wanting I didn't inquire- but again the advice and commentary was awesome. I will remember that you were very helpful and if I have a pal looking for that type of diamond, sure enough I'll send them to you.

Barry I reviewed your site and saw some great diamonds, and asked about two in my thread (the first I may have confused your company with another Ideal/ Excel?), you asked that I register on the site which I did, and attached to my registry I believe 3 diamonds that looked promising- don't know if it was the junk mail filter or if I got lost in the shuffle but I never heard back and by then I'd zero'd in on the two diamonds I picked so I didn't inquire again. Your system of business definitely has it's perks so I will tell friends who are looking about it in the future if they don't want to go the drop-ship route.

 

I also inquired with 2 of the leading online dealers- one never responded and one just sent me a packaged list of all the 2+ carat AGS and GIA diamonds they had in the system under my specified price ceiling, some of good cut, and I'd specified EX or Ideal cut.

The company I ended up going with was responsive to any questions I had, and checked on any diamond I inquired about eagerly. Of course being a drop shipper there were added risks to me as the consumer such as the selling company not seeing the diamond in person, the drop shipper having to rely on the source to determine "eye clean", no sarin/ ideal-scope images etc... but in the end I felt like I had two winners to choose from so I went with them. The market transparency of seeing the same diamond offered by 3+ companies is very attractive, feels like true capitalism and that you are paying (low compared to B & M) fair market value.

 

So I guess the bottom line is that when shopping for a diamond there is a sense of mild terror probably due to the high price tag/ tiny item/ lack of knowledge/ black magic involved, and in the whirlwind of emotion and the steep learning curve a buyer may be obtuse to some things that seem obvious to the pros and those posting responses on these threads? Plus a buyer is looking high and low for guidance and is shopping at boutiques, mall jewelers, maybe estate sales, resales, drop shippers, online, NY, who knows where so they may not know to click on the link by your name to check out your diamonds, they may just assume that if you have a great stone in their budget you'll offer it up for review.

That same buyer, if they are lucky, runs across these message boards or a helpful honest pro, and sees the light, learns, and makes an informed decision.

Anyways, don't know if I helped at all to give the consumers side of what happens but I felt compelled to comment. Again what you guys/ gals do writing total strangers and giving your expert opinion is very much appreciated by beginners (me), novices, and I'm sure even experienced purchasers- so thank you very much.

John

 

:unsure: I appreciate your feedback here. It makes me feel as if I was not alone. It was a learning experience for me also. After the last few days of taking a beating on this site as a consumer I have been a litte gun shy to post here. However, I have been eager to remain updated on your search and the proposal! My diamond search is over and I am not looking for a simple platinum setting. What type of setting did you choose?

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Hi Cathy! Sorry I thought I'd posted to you my results...

 

Here goes:

OK... drumroll please! ...

 

Went with the 2.058 AGS-000 over the GIA 2.27 Ex, vg, ex (feather in the table foiled it).

Took them to the appraiser (DCA Diamontologist/ GIA Gemologist/ Appraiser) and he sat down with his microscope and various lights and tools and reviewed both stones with me. The AGS won out in most categories so I went with it. He pretty much immediately pointed out a feather under the table to me (GIA stone), which I hadn't seen... but once he showed it to me I could pick it out without too much trouble. Both stones I color SI-2 clarity.

He said the AGS was just better all around. Under magnification you can see a couple small inclusions in the AGS, but nothing major and nothing you can see with the naked eye.

 

Speaking of the STRONG FL- NO IMPACT on the color or clarity of the GIA even in direct high noon sunlight. They both throw off the same level of blue fire (along with all the colors of the rainbow it seems). You mentioned your GIA medium blue had a lot of blue fire in sunlight? Well the GIA SB and AGS no FL both looked the same as far as blue fire/ brilliance... so I'd say it's just a killer way to save some money, and if it helps a I/J/K/L or lower color stone look whiter that's a bonus.

 

OH almost forgot- asked Amanda Friday night and she said YES! Very excited. The band is a thicker white gold band with integral tulip setting, and the sides kinda sweep up just a bit to cradle the tulip setting? I've tried to add photos but for some reason it's not working. We'd looked at settings and she liked the thicker settings and loved the tulip design of the sides, and loved the round solitaire, so it was easy for me, I thought, until I got into the diamond search- wow the learning curve is intense.

 

It also came with a "GCAL Audit" accompanying the AGS triple ideal grading report. Includes photomicrographs, optical symmetry analysis (EX), optical brilliance analysis (EX), Cut stats (all top ranked). Pretty cool- hadn't run into this GCAL report before so probably not a big deal, but neat to see.

Seems like a pretty good deal for such a well cut, eye clean, 2+ carat diamond- $11,943 (stone only). Larger fluorescent GIA was $10,621 for reference, but that stinkin' feather! :-)

I'll have the appraisal in by Friday.

 

Anyways, thanks to ALL! Thanks Cathy!

John

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Hi Cathy! Sorry I thought I'd posted to you my results...

 

Here goes:

OK... drumroll please! ...

 

Went with the 2.058 AGS-000 over the GIA 2.27 Ex, vg, ex (feather in the table foiled it).

Took them to the appraiser (DCA Diamontologist/ GIA Gemologist/ Appraiser) and he sat down with his microscope and various lights and tools and reviewed both stones with me. The AGS won out in most categories so I went with it. He pretty much immediately pointed out a feather under the table to me (GIA stone), which I hadn't seen... but once he showed it to me I could pick it out without too much trouble. Both stones I color SI-2 clarity.

He said the AGS was just better all around. Under magnification you can see a couple small inclusions in the AGS, but nothing major and nothing you can see with the naked eye.

 

Speaking of the STRONG FL- NO IMPACT on the color or clarity of the GIA even in direct high noon sunlight. They both throw off the same level of blue fire (along with all the colors of the rainbow it seems). You mentioned your GIA medium blue had a lot of blue fire in sunlight? Well the GIA SB and AGS no FL both looked the same as far as blue fire/ brilliance... so I'd say it's just a killer way to save some money, and if it helps a I/J/K/L or lower color stone look whiter that's a bonus.

 

OH almost forgot- asked Amanda Friday night and she said YES! Very excited. The band is a thicker white gold band with integral tulip setting, and the sides kinda sweep up just a bit to cradle the tulip setting? I've tried to add photos but for some reason it's not working. We'd looked at settings and she liked the thicker settings and loved the tulip design of the sides, and loved the round solitaire, so it was easy for me, I thought, until I got into the diamond search- wow the learning curve is intense.

 

It also came with a "GCAL Audit" accompanying the AGS triple ideal grading report. Includes photomicrographs, optical symmetry analysis (EX), optical brilliance analysis (EX), Cut stats (all top ranked). Pretty cool- hadn't run into this GCAL report before so probably not a big deal, but neat to see.

Seems like a pretty good deal for such a well cut, eye clean, 2+ carat diamond- $11,943 (stone only). Larger fluorescent GIA was $10,621 for reference, but that stinkin' feather! :-)

I'll have the appraisal in by Friday.

 

Anyways, thanks to ALL! Thanks Cathy!

John

 

What a recap! Thanks so much and Congratulations!!!!!! Amanda is a lucky girl! The amount of time and effort you put into her diamond! Are you going to be this hands on for the wedding planning?? :unsure:

 

Interesting about the FL comment. I never did have anything to compare my stone to so it sounds as if that blue could be there in all stones. My appraiser did tell me that my stone looked like an F because of the FL so I liked hearing that!

 

Sounds like your stone is perfect and a good deal. What could be better? Thanks for being my buddy during this search and I wish you two the best. Take care!! :)

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Cathy - not looking or now looking?

 

I'm glad to know that we haven's scared you guys away. :unsure:

 

 

Oops, am looking for a platinum band. Thanks, David!

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Are you happy with a relatively standard semi-mount, or do you want something special/custom? (in other words - is money a priority, or is looks?)


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Are you happy with a relatively standard semi-mount, or do you want something special/custom? (in other words - is money a priority, or is looks?)

 

 

I am looking for a standard tiffany setting. I tried looking at other options and this was the best with my eternity band. I could send the stone back to WF and have them do it but that seems like it will cost more with shipping back and forth etc. Any suggestions? I am thinking 4 prong.

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The WF Tiffany-like setting is pretty competitively priced, and it has good reviews; I haven't seen it "in person". I think even with shipping/insurance you'll be better off going back to them, unless your local jeweller is considerably lower. You are going to have the shipping/etc. problem with anyone else who isn't local, so I'm not sure who else to suggest.


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Wow a 9 page thread. :unsure:


Jan

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Is it time to contact Guiness? :unsure:


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The WF Tiffany-like setting is pretty competitively priced, and it has good reviews; I haven't seen it "in person". I think even with shipping/insurance you'll be better off going back to them, unless your local jeweller is considerably lower. You are going to have the shipping/etc. problem with anyone else who isn't local, so I'm not sure who else to suggest.

 

 

I just might do that. I do have an old platinum setting that is 10.77 grams that I may try to put towards a credit locally. That would be the only factor to go locally! Not sure what I could get from it but it may be worth exploring. Thanks!

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