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Can you tell me where to find the stone described above under $14K in the size I am looking at? B)

 

 

I am looking at 2.25ish size. The search continues.....

 

 

Good luck on an eye clean SI2 I 2.25 ct. GIA with a top make for under $14,000. Realistically something has to give, size, color, or cut. Maybe a verystrong to strong blue.


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Can you tell me where to find the stone described above under $14K in the size I am looking at? B)

 

 

I am looking at 2.25ish size. The search continues.....

 

 

Good luck on an eye clean SI2 I 2.25 ct. GIA with a top make for under $14,000. Realistically something has to give, size, color, or cut. Maybe a verystrong to strong blue.

 

 

Well, I had a long conversation today with a rep from Whiteflash. They will look at the stone and send pictures so that is a step in the right direction. They have already spoken to the cutter who said it looked like an SI1 and there could be a light feather where a prong could on on the very side of the diamond. I am very aware that looking at a stone will be the tell all but until I set up a bank wire, etc., I want to receive some feedback on this stone that is now G SI2 2.22 Med blue FL. Stone is $14,434. My Fluour questions have really sparked some heated discussions. I guess my concern is that it could look grey? Thanks everyone!! David. Lauren, anyone else are you out there?

 

 

Report Type: GIA Diamond Grading Report

Date of Issue: May 14, 2008

Round Brilliant

Measurements: 8.31 - 8.38 x 5.12 mmCarat Weight: 2.22

 

Color Grade: G

 

Clarity Grade: SI2

 

Cut Grade: Excellent

 

 

 

Proportions: Depth: 61.4 %

Table: 58 %

Crown Angle: 34.5°

Crown Height: 14.5 %

Pavilion Angle: 40.8°

Pavilion Depth: 43 %

Star length: 50 %

Lower Half: 75 %

Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted

Culet: None

Finish:

Polish: Very Good

Symmetry: Very Good

Fluorescence: Medium Blue

 

Comments: Additional twinning wisps are not shown. Surface graining is not shown.

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This has become a terribly difficult thread to follow but may I suggest a different strategy. You're sorting through online lists of stats and prices hoping to end up with a good 'deal' and then double checking with us to get free advice in order to modify your specs. Right? This is almost guaranteed to cause trouble.

 

How about this:

Choose the dealer FIRST, then give them your specs and requirements and see what they come back with. Take that and compare it with competitive offers and if you find something that looks better, go back to your chosen dealer and ask them why theirs is more (or different clarity, smaller size or whatever the difference might be). Listen to what they tell you. If it sounds like BS, bring that to us to check out and, if you decide it's true then rethink your choice of dealer. If the dealer holds up, listen to their advice about your selection. They can actually see the stones, they have the relationships with the suppliers and they've done this all before. A bit of practice really does help. What you want isn't really all that unusual but there are a few pitfalls and a good jeweler really can help you navigate them.

 

Neil


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Neil;

 

Welcome. B)

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Cathy;

 

Are you really comfortable with Medium Blue? You seemed very concerned with a Faint Blue on the last diamond you presented here.

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Neil's advice- as ususal- is well advised.

As Brad noted, any 2.25 I/SI2 for $14,400 is likely to have some reasons that the price is so low.

 

WF is a well known company with a good reputation.

If you've chosen them, I would suggest you own the decision, and listen to what they have to tell you.

 

Meduim blue should pose NO problem whatsoever if the rest of the things about the stone are to your liking.

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Neil's advice- as ususal- is well advised.

As Brad noted, any 2.25 I/SI2 for $14,400 is likely to have some reasons that the price is so low.

 

WF is a well known company with a good reputation.

If you've chosen them, I would suggest you own the decision, and listen to what they have to tell you.

 

Meduim blue should pose NO problem whatsoever if the rest of the things about the stone are to your liking.

 

Thanks. I understand what you all are saying and I had a local jeweler try to sell me a jeweler that is "too deep" which I thought was a great stone because it had a GIA excellent cut rating and was actually eyeclean. The HCA gives it a 5.4. Then I went with Blue Nile who confirmed their diamond was eyeclean and an excellent diamond and it had a huge gray inclusion. So, as someone suggested I put the flouresence in to bring down the price. So my gal at whiteflash raved about this diamond but it has twinning wasps that I now read could pose a durability risk to the longevity of the stone so that concerns me. I can't help but to feel like everyone does want to sell a stone especially in this tough economy. This entire process has been such a learning experience. I would see every diamond on earth if I could, trust me but with 2 small children, that is not possible so I have rely on the internet. This is not directed to Lauren just the other responses about me posting different diamonds for feedback. Isn't that what this forum is for? I am listening to the advice given to me and then taking it that to continue my search!

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Cathy, my name is David, Hi! :)

I don't know anyone at WhiteFlash personally- but I've heard nice things about them.

Like anything else you buy, you will find salespeople that you like, and others you feel are pushy.

I'm not suggesting anyone's been pushy with you-rather that you yourself consider the interactions, and find someplace to buy that does not make you feel pressured.

Maybe WF is that place, it's up to you. They ( or any seller you feel comfortable with) should be able to answer the question about twining wisps.

IMO twining wisps are highly unlikely to cause any sort of durability issue in an SI2 diamond as graded by GIA.

Really be careful about what's written on the internet.

If you read some people's opinion, the HCA is great.

Other people feel it's worthless.

If you want to use it, than by all means do so! You can find a stone that scores well on the HCA

 

By setting the bar so high and the price so low, you're trying to buy dollar bills for .85cents- you're going to have to sacrifice someplace.

 

I'd say getting correct information - such as that about twining wisps- is a great use of this, or any forum.

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Another general though on your thought process: ‘The Internet’ is not an entity that you can shop with, it’s a medium of communication. You’re still talking about individual companies. Whiteflash is a well regarded outfit that uses the Internet to advertise and to communicate with their clients but they’re no more or less than some jeweler who happens to be in someone else’s neighborhood instead of your own (unless you're in Houston). The same is true of Blue Nile, Excel, DBL and any other jeweler you might consider, local or not. Some have showrooms, some have fancy websites, some have charming salespeople etc. Pick one and work with them and force them to stand or fail on their own merits, not some B&M vs. Internet thing. If they don’t measure up to your standards, by all means move on to someone else but their address may not be the most important issue to you.

 

Neil


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Cathy, my name is David, Hi! :P

I don't know anyone at WhiteFlash personally- but I've heard nice things about them.

Like anything else you buy, you will find salespeople that you like, and others you feel are pushy.

I'm not suggesting anyone's been pushy with you-rather that you yourself consider the interactions, and find someplace to buy that does not make you feel pressured.

Maybe WF is that place, it's up to you. They ( or any seller you feel comfortable with) should be able to answer the question about twining wisps.

IMO twining wisps are highly unlikely to cause any sort of durability issue in an SI2 diamond as graded by GIA.

Really be careful about what's written on the internet.

If you read some people's opinion, the HCA is great.

Other people feel it's worthless.

If you want to use it, than by all means do so! You can find a stone that scores well on the HCA

 

By setting the bar so high and the price so low, you're trying to buy dollar bills for .85cents- you're going to have to sacrifice someplace.

 

I'd say getting correct information - such as that about twining wisps- is a great use of this, or any forum.

 

Thanks for your response and sorry for getting your name wrong, David. Whiteflash has been great and I really like who I am dealing with. I ordered a stone, G SI2 2.22 Medium blue Flour, twinning wisps and all (these are the two characteristics that concerned me but she said not to worry) and she will look at it tomorrow and get back to me with pictures if she likes it and thinks it is eyeclean. My fingers are crossed and I really appreciate everyone's input! I did not see much info on twinning wisps. Some people think they are a concern, others think that if that is the only inclusion, great! I sure want a sturdy diamond after all of this searching and time! :)

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Cathy- I've been in the diamond business since 1976- and was trained by some of the largest loose diamond companies in the history of diamonds.

If I had a hair ( on my head) for every time I've seen ill advised advice given by someone who is not really familiar with what they are advising about on the internet, I'd have a full head of hair. Believe me, it's far from that today ( if only I had my 1976 hair...)

 

If the WF rep tells you the diamond is eye clean please reomve the words "twining wisps" from your vocabulary- you never need think of those words again.

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David - stop complaining about your hair; mine IS like a twinning wisp - what should I say?!? :P:)

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Bear in mind that the two top photos are about as bad as it can get. Many twinning wisps are nearly invisible unless the light is 90 degrees to the twinning plane (all the small inclusions are on the same plane - it's the boundary between two diamond crystals). Bad luck if it's parallel to the table!!!


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Bear in mind that the two top photos are about as bad as it can get. Many twinning wisps are nearly invisible unless the light is 90 degrees to the twinning plane (all the small inclusions are on the same plane - it's the boundary between two diamond crystals). Bad luck if it's parallel to the table!!!

 

 

David, Are you seeing this here or is the photo not enough to identify? Thanks..

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Judging clarity/eye-cleanness from a plot is just not possible. One good thing is that the wisp seems to be vertical and not directly under the table, but there is no way anyone can check whether it's visible without having the stone in hand. Also - check out the feather very near the girdle to make sure it does not pose any durability/setting issues.


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The GIA plotted diagrams are one-dimensional and don't give the exact location, coloring, and size and therefore misleading.

 

You either need to see the diamond for yourself or have photos sent to you


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The GIA plotted diagrams are one-dimensional and don't give the exact location, coloring, and size and therefore misleading.

 

You either need to see the diamond for yourself or have photos sent to you

 

 

Photos are on the way.....Are you guys and gals willing to look at them? (I know, I know seeing in person is the next step...)

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The GIA plotted diagrams are one-dimensional and don't give the exact location, coloring, and size and therefore misleading.

 

You either need to see the diamond for yourself or have photos sent to you

 

 

Photos are on the way.....Are you guys and gals willing to look at them? (I know, I know seeing in person is the next step...)

 

If it looks good to you, our opinion doesn't matter. You're closest to the diamond.

 

The point Tradespeople such as Neil, David, David F, Brad, and yours truly are trying to drive home in this thread as well as recent similar threads is to trust your eyes. If it looks good to you, it's a keeper.


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The GIA plotted diagrams are one-dimensional and don't give the exact location, coloring, and size and therefore misleading.

 

You either need to see the diamond for yourself or have photos sent to you

 

 

Photos are on the way.....Are you guys and gals willing to look at them? (I know, I know seeing in person is the next step...)

 

If it looks good to you, our opinion doesn't matter. You're closest to the diamond.

 

The point Tradespeople such as Neil, David, David F, Brad, and yours truly are trying to drive home in this thread as well as recent similar threads is to trust your eyes. If it looks good to you, it's a keeper.

 

 

 

I hear you loud and clear, Barry. But before I can see a diamond, I have to set up a bank wire (pay additional for that) then pay A LOT of $ and then decide if I want to keep it or send back and pay shipping. As I said earlier, if I could see every diamond on earth and make a decison in person, I would! Still waiting on my pictures for now....

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The GIA plotted diagrams are one-dimensional and don't give the exact location, coloring, and size and therefore misleading.

 

You either need to see the diamond for yourself or have photos sent to you

 

 

Photos are on the way.....Are you guys and gals willing to look at them? (I know, I know seeing in person is the next step...)

 

If it looks good to you, our opinion doesn't matter. You're closest to the diamond.

 

The point Tradespeople such as Neil, David, David F, Brad, and yours truly are trying to drive home in this thread as well as recent similar threads is to trust your eyes. If it looks good to you, it's a keeper.

 

 

 

I hear you loud and clear, Barry. But before I can see a diamond, I have to set up a bank wire (pay additional for that) then pay A LOT of $ and then decide if I want to keep it or send back and pay shipping. As I said earlier, if I could see every diamond on earth and make a decison in person, I would! Still waiting on my pictures for now....

 

Duly noted. But with your totally understandable anxiety you've voiced throughout this thread I'm not sure you will be comforted by our opinion and therefore believe you will be best served by seeing this diamond for yourself. The cost of a Bank wire ranges from $10-$30.00 and return shipping is really a minor expense compared to the total cost of the diamond.

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I'm not willing. I'm eager to see this!

 

 

I am not really sure how to look at this... I recieved a sarin and idealscope and one picture as well. What do you think David?

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I'm not willing. I'm eager to see this!

 

 

I am not really sure how to look at this... I recieved a sarin and idealscope and one picture as well. What do you think David?

 

 

I meant to add this one. Sorry.

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