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Told 1.84 Looks Like A 2 Carat. Good Stone? Good Value?

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Ok, I got the information and according to that Holloway Cut Adviser, the diamond from Blue Nile is more favorable. As a matter of fact, the one from the jeweler got a 5.4. I know that I can't look at that only. I will look at that other site you just mentioned. So, now that I have all info I would love final feedback. John, where are you with your search?

 

Here is my report information - Length 8.48, Width 8.37, depth 5.27, carat 2.26 ,color I ,clarity, SI2, cut EX ,sym VG, polish VG

Fluorescence non THN to MEDFaceted cutlet none depth 62.6 table 56, crown angle 34.5°Height 15.00%,Pav angle, 41.6°,depth 44.50% ,star lenght 50%, lower half 85%

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Well, it's not what I would call "the best cut in the world" even though it gets an "Excellent" from GIA - the question is whether you like it enough to call it quits at this stage. Personally, I think the stone from Blue Nile will look much more lively, but it's a guess.


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Hi Cathy, the report doesn't show up (at least at the moment), but the information is now much easier to read. I still think it's a bottom-heavy stone (steep and deep pavillion) - sorry.


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I do. It's still not as "tight" as some of the number freaks hem, respected members, of other boards may like, but it's a step in the right direction.

 

Plus - for what it's worth - it's a G and it's EX/EX polish and simmetry rather than I/VG/VG. I'm the first to argue that no-one will ever see the difference, especially once it's set, but since they are the same price and at the end of the day colour is one of the factors determining your resale value, you might as well.


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Hi there Cathy- I'd say I'm at the 'floundering with signs of life' stage, but needing to make a decision soon. That BN stone sounds like a winner, and like David said G to I in color may not make a difference, but the ex/ex ratings on polish and symetry IN ADDITION to the upgrade in color are big deals (to me). I saw a GIA G rated stone at the jeweler, 1 carat, and it was awesome... don't know if it was excellent cut, but it was killer. Blew away some lesser quality 2 carat stones.

Shoot a response as soon as you get it and give us your impressions. The HCA scale isn't the be all/ end all I'm sure, but a 5+ rating would scare me away for sure. 2 or below I guess is the target unless the diamond is a great deal and I guess you can go up to maybe 3 or so- but it appears by looking at the graph that the fire and brilliance suffers if you get too far out of the sweet spot.

Again post a notice when you get your stone.

Thanks- John


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Hi there Cathy- I'd say I'm at the 'floundering with signs of life' stage, but needing to make a decision soon. That BN stone sounds like a winner, and like David said G to I in color may not make a difference, but the ex/ex ratings on polish and symetry IN ADDITION to the upgrade in color are big deals (to me). I saw a GIA G rated stone at the jeweler, 1 carat, and it was awesome... don't know if it was excellent cut, but it was killer. Blew away some lesser quality 2 carat stones.

[snip]

Thanks- John

 

:) We'll rescue you from the floundering yet, young man! :) Be afraid, be very afraid. We'll do amazing things with your money.

 

I'll bet you the price of the 1 carat diamond that it was just much better cut - it would not matter a jot if it were a K.


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It is funny to me how there could be so many stones rated with a GIA excellent cut but still vary so much. In the beginning of this process I thought that any diamond with an excellent cut rating would be top notch. What was also peculiar was that the blue nile stone I found with ALL of the excellent characteristics was still the most inexpensive out of many they had listed including other stones with H an I colors and Very Goods. Why is that?! BN told me that it all depends on when they purchase it. Is that true?

Once I receive the stone, I do need to decide which one appeals to me. Then I have to deal with my jeweler which could be uncomfortable. I am eager to just have my stone and ring!

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Hi there Cathy- I'd say I'm at the 'floundering with signs of life' stage, but needing to make a decision soon. That BN stone sounds like a winner, and like David said G to I in color may not make a difference, but the ex/ex ratings on polish and symetry IN ADDITION to the upgrade in color are big deals (to me). I saw a GIA G rated stone at the jeweler, 1 carat, and it was awesome... don't know if it was excellent cut, but it was killer. Blew away some lesser quality 2 carat stones.

[snip]

Thanks- John

 

:) We'll rescue you from the floundering yet, young man! :) Be afraid, be very afraid. We'll do amazing things with your money.

 

I'll bet you the price of the 1 carat diamond that it was just much better cut - it would not matter a jot if it were a K.

Hi David, Hope you are feeling better soon.

Yes the 1 carat mall GIA was a great cut, I think a G color... that 1 carat was $10K. BUT that retailer had TONS of in house graded OK looking stones that were pretty expensive when compared to what you can get online of seemingly better color/ clarity plus with a grading report from GIA... even EGL Israel I'd guess would be better than some in house graded mall diamonds?

Speaking of EGL, wish they'd get more conservative in their grading reports, I understand EGL USA is better than EGL International, but still seems too risky.

Oh and David I meant to clarify, my budget can stretch upward, especially if I can replicate a similar find to Cathy's on an excellent cut G ex polish/ex symetry 2.25 carat eye clean SI2 GIA for $13,750 or so (assuming it looks awesome in person)...

Cathy the suspense! Thanks- John


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Hi there Cathy- I'd say I'm at the 'floundering with signs of life' stage, but needing to make a decision soon. That BN stone sounds like a winner, and like David said G to I in color may not make a difference, but the ex/ex ratings on polish and symetry IN ADDITION to the upgrade in color are big deals (to me). I saw a GIA G rated stone at the jeweler, 1 carat, and it was awesome... don't know if it was excellent cut, but it was killer. Blew away some lesser quality 2 carat stones.

[snip]

Thanks- John

 

:) We'll rescue you from the floundering yet, young man! :) Be afraid, be very afraid. We'll do amazing things with your money.

 

I'll bet you the price of the 1 carat diamond that it was just much better cut - it would not matter a jot if it were a K.

Hi David, Hope you are feeling better soon.

Yes the 1 carat mall GIA was a great cut, I think a G color... that 1 carat was $10K. BUT that retailer had TONS of in house graded OK looking stones that were pretty expensive when compared to what you can get online of seemingly better color/ clarity plus with a grading report from GIA... even EGL Israel I'd guess would be better than some in house graded mall diamonds?

Speaking of EGL, wish they'd get more conservative in their grading reports, I understand EGL USA is better than EGL International, but still seems too risky.

Oh and David I meant to clarify, my budget can stretch upward, especially if I can replicate a similar find to Cathy's on an excellent cut G ex polish/ex symetry 2.25 carat eye clean SI2 GIA for $13,750 or so (assuming it looks awesome in person)...

Cathy the suspense! Thanks- John

 

I know! I get the diamond on Friday. Listen, John. If for some reason we can't get out of our deal because we are trading in my stone for his and he is giving me more $ for my stone if I buy through him (major run on sentence) and the stone is eye clean than I could let you know and you could contact Blue Nile to obtain for yourself to look at. My jeweler sort of left me hanging and did not communicate with me so I got nervous and started looking on BN. Sticky situation because he has my current diamond. I also caught him in a white lie when I spoke to GIA...Again, stresses me out.

 

On another note, anyone looking to buy a 1.29 round diamond H VS2 for $4500? That is as low as I will go. If you want more info, lemme know!

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Hi there Cathy- I'd say I'm at the 'floundering with signs of life' stage, but needing to make a decision soon. That BN stone sounds like a winner, and like David said G to I in color may not make a difference, but the ex/ex ratings on polish and symetry IN ADDITION to the upgrade in color are big deals (to me). I saw a GIA G rated stone at the jeweler, 1 carat, and it was awesome... don't know if it was excellent cut, but it was killer. Blew away some lesser quality 2 carat stones.

[snip]

Thanks- John

 

:) We'll rescue you from the floundering yet, young man! :) Be afraid, be very afraid. We'll do amazing things with your money.

 

I'll bet you the price of the 1 carat diamond that it was just much better cut - it would not matter a jot if it were a K.

Hi David, Hope you are feeling better soon.

Yes the 1 carat mall GIA was a great cut, I think a G color... that 1 carat was $10K. BUT that retailer had TONS of in house graded OK looking stones that were pretty expensive when compared to what you can get online of seemingly better color/ clarity plus with a grading report from GIA... even EGL Israel I'd guess would be better than some in house graded mall diamonds?

Speaking of EGL, wish they'd get more conservative in their grading reports, I understand EGL USA is better than EGL International, but still seems too risky.

Oh and David I meant to clarify, my budget can stretch upward, especially if I can replicate a similar find to Cathy's on an excellent cut G ex polish/ex symetry 2.25 carat eye clean SI2 GIA for $13,750 or so (assuming it looks awesome in person)...

Cathy the suspense! Thanks- John

 

I know! I get the diamond on Friday. Listen, John. If for some reason we can't get out of our deal because we are trading in my stone for his and he is giving me more $ for my stone if I buy through him (major run on sentence) and the stone is eye clean than I could let you know and you could contact Blue Nile to obtain for yourself to look at. My jeweler sort of left me hanging and did not communicate with me so I got nervous and started looking on BN. Sticky situation because he has my current diamond. I also caught him in a white lie when I spoke to GIA...Again, stresses me out.

 

On another note, anyone looking to buy a 1.29 round diamond H VS2 for $4500? That is as low as I will go. If you want more info, lemme know!

 

 

Hi Cathy... yes that would be great!! Very interesting deal on the B.N. GIA G. If you decide you must go with your jeweler and the Bluenile stone looks great I'd love to put my paws on it. I'm running into a bunch of odd stones in the G/H/I, SI1/2, GIA Excellent cut for under $13K... 2+ carats. Barry is right, like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Thanks- John...


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Hi there Cathy, Let me know when you're able to look at the stones... I'm anxious to hear how they look in person. If the BN stone looks awesome but the incentives to buy the in-house stone are too good to pass up I'd love a shot at it.

Thanks- John


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Hi there Cathy, Let me know when you're able to look at the stones... I'm anxious to hear how they look in person. If the BN stone looks awesome but the incentives to buy the in-house stone are too good to pass up I'd love a shot at it.

Thanks- John

 

 

Sure thing. Tomorrow can't come soon enough. I am armed with my loop! Any luck with your search?

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Hi Cathy, Yes I'm in the narrowing down process... quite stressful. I've had the same revelation, that not all GIA Ex. cut diamonds are the same, and at the extremes of their Ex. cut limit you can buy a flawed diamond that won't have the light performance you are after. Having said that a GIA Ex. will probably blow away an in house graded mall diamond 90% of the time (not that we're looking at mall diamonds, but as a caveat to future buyers who read this post).

Seems that AGS-0 is a safer bet to an uneducated buyer (me) to insure a killer cut per given stone over GIA Ex... unless you know the numbers to check into (crown and pavillion angles, percentages etc...)- I'm learning crash course style. More GIA stones available in my price range so that's what I'm focusing on.

I just posted a LONG message on my thread which is near the top of the board if you wanted to look at it. Trying to get a handle on crown and pavillion angles and what the best combos are. Trying to stay away from the steep/ deep diamonds that David has mentioned to us both- light leakage and wasted weight in the pavillion seem to be the culprits of that type of stone. That may be why a 2.25 steep/ deep is the same price as a great proportioned 2.0 round all else being the same (clarity/ color). If the angles are off you might be 20% (guess) off on the light show. Scary!

Let me know how your diamonds look!

Thanks- John


John, Southeast NC

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Drum roll please..............................................................................................

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Fedex came nice and early today. I opened the box and there was a large gray spot right in the center clear as a bell :angry: ! What a disappointment! Blue Nile apologized but what a waste of time. I don't believe a gemologist looked at it and confirmed it was eyeclean. Eyeclean from the other side of the room maybe. The diamond does look white and sparkly but that has one huge inclusion! Soo. back it goes. Now I may have to go with my original that I analyzed forever and did not see anything with the naked eye. Even though it is deep, I may still love it just as much - I hope. Back to my other I SI2. Hope I am getting a good deal for $13,7! :D David, any last minute words of wisdom or comfort?

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Drum roll please..............................................................................................

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Fedex came nice and early today. I opened the box and there was a large gray spot right in the center clear as a bell :angry: ! What a disappointment! Blue Nile apologized but what a waste of time. I don't believe a gemologist looked at it and confirmed it was eyeclean. Eyeclean from the other side of the room maybe. The diamond does look white and sparkly but that has one huge inclusion! Soo. back it goes. Now I may have to go with my original that I analyzed forever and did not see anything with the naked eye. Even though it is deep, I may still love it just as much - I hope. Back to my other I SI2. Hope I am getting a good deal for $13,7! :D David, any last minute words of wisdom or comfort?

 

 

Gosh- bummer huh? I guess if your first diamond looks great that might be the way to go especially if the jeweler is giving you a good deal on a trade in. Sounds like you are like me, "What if I search again... I might find the perfect fiery flashy stone!" - John


John, Southeast NC

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I did do another search ALL OVER and spoke to Blue Nile and I do feel like I am getting the best deal out there by going with my jeweler now. His stone was eyeclean. After continuous searches, I am not finding my size cut and color in the same price range. I am sure it is out there but I can only do so many searches. Many of the GIA plots for Si2 online are covered with the inclusions inside the table. Another funny observation....This G is so white, it almost looks fake. Maybe I am just used to my H which is warmer and may be ok. Anything to make me feel better, right? Keep us posted on your search, John!

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Cathy what's your current stone and what's the new big one and how do they look color wise side by side?

I keep searching too... and I'll put the color at G and H... then add I in... then add J in there, then take J away... then go to SI-1... then add SI-2... then add $500 to the budget, then $1,000... it's like a viscious mind game I'm playing on myself... HA!

Then occasionally an EGL E, SI1 excellent super ideal (being facetious) and I'll think, well EGL might be worth the gamble, maybe it's an awesome stone they SHOULD have sent to GIA or AGS. Then I snap back to reality and stick to the GIA/ AGS stones. Would be nice if all SI-2's were eye clean and I-1's weren't, simplify things for a lot of folks.

Wish me luck- John


John, Southeast NC

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Cathy what's your current stone and what's the new big one and how do they look color wise side by side?

I keep searching too... and I'll put the color at G and H... then add I in... then add J in there, then take J away... then go to SI-1... then add SI-2... then add $500 to the budget, then $1,000... it's like a viscious mind game I'm playing on myself... HA!

Then occasionally an EGL E, SI1 excellent super ideal (being facetious) and I'll think, well EGL might be worth the gamble, maybe it's an awesome stone they SHOULD have sent to GIA or AGS. Then I snap back to reality and stick to the GIA/ AGS stones. Would be nice if all SI-2's were eye clean and I-1's weren't, simplify things for a lot of folks.

Wish me luck- John

 

 

Sadly, my jeweler has my current stone so I can't do that comparison. I too added new formula to the mix based on a suggestion. Go with an I Si1 and add a faint to medium blue Fluouresence to make it look whiter and bring down the price. Have you explored that option?

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Bear in mind that faint fluorescence is literally that - faint. Unlikely to change perceived colour that much. Also, while it will have a "bleaching" effect in natural light, it will do diddly squat in artificial lighting (virtually no UV, unless it's a disco-style black light)


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Bear in mind that faint fluorescence is literally that - faint. Unlikely to change perceived colour that much. Also, while it will have a "bleaching" effect in natural light, it will do diddly squat in artificial lighting (virtually no UV, unless it's a disco-style black light)

 

So David, as I get closer to making my final decision I need some guidance based on everything we have learned this week. My original diamond that got me started on here (below) was very eye clean when I inspected it all all angles which I now realize is gamble when looking at SI2 stones. The price on this stone is the lowest I have found for all of the characteristics. However, we have these negatives - the depth to the diamond and that bad rating on the Holloway cut adviser that really bums me out. Are those two aspects deal killers or is this still a very nice stone for a ring? I don't know what to think anymore!!

 

 

2.26 I SI2 - Length 8.48, Width 8.37, depth 5.27, carat 2.26 ,color I ,clarity, SI2, cut EX ,sym VG, polish VG

Fluorescence non THN to MEDFaceted cutlet none depth 62.6 table 56, crown angle 34.5°Height 15.00%,Pav angle, 41.6°,depth 44.50% ,star lenght 50%, lower half 85%

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Cathy, I think it all depends on what you are looking for. Based on the info you've posted, I think the stone will look fairly big but not very bright and lively. It's still a 2ct+ reasonably well cut diamond, which means it will look sparkly and impressive to 99% of people.

 

To me a really well cut 1.5/1.8 ct would be nicer, and that's what I would go for if I wanted a RB with a budget of roughly $14,000, but me is me, and you is you.

 

For example, I think this one http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/ind...nity&id=567 would blow the I/SI2 you are looking at completely out of the water. And it is the same price (or just less, if you pay cash). But it's under 2 carats and it's a J.


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Cathy, I think it all depends on what you are looking for. Based on the info you've posted, I think the stone will look fairly big but not very bright and lively. It's still a 2ct+ reasonably well cut diamond, which means it will look sparkly and impressive to 99% of people.

 

To me a really well cut 1.5/1.8 ct would be nicer, and that's what I would go for if I wanted a RB with a budget of roughly $14,000, but me is me, and you is you.

 

For example, I think this one http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/ind...nity&id=567 would blow the I/SI2 you are looking at completely out of the water. And it is the same price (or just less, if you pay cash). But it's under 2 carats and it's a J.

 

 

:D I am now looking at this diamond because I want bright! Thoughts?

Round Brilliant

 

Measurements: 8.37 - 8.43 x 5.18 mm

Carat Weight: 2.25

Color Grade: I

Clarity Grade: SI1

Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:

Depth: 61.7 %

Table: 57 %

Crown Angle: 34.5°

Crown Height: 14.5 %

Pavilion Angle: 41°

Pavilion Depth: 43 %

Star length: 50 %

Lower Half: 80 %

Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted

Culet: None

Finish:

Polish: Very Good

Symmetry: Excellent

 

Fluorescence: None

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There are SI2`s that are eyeclean, some even that will appear cleaner than certain SI1`s sometimes. This is where hands on diamond selection can really make a difference.

 

Jumping up to SI1 in a two carat size doesn`t guarantee that the diamond will be eyeclean. It may have a higher chance, but some will have eye visble inclusions still.

 

I tend to look for center clean SI`s with something off to the side, no large dark crystals. Then I combine that with a really nice cut too. Most of the time I can come up with some pretty nice looking ones at a good value this way.

 

Here is my pick : eyeclean SI2

 

Table 55%

Depth 62%

Crown angle 34.5

Crown height 16.

Pavilion angle 40.8

Pavilion depth 43.

Star length 55

Lower halves 75

 

Guaranteed to rock & roll :D


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