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By the way, in my husband's defense, he does not have the time or patience to read my blog. He heard bits and pieces from me and I did check a few facts with him but all in all, it is not in any way a reflection of his knowledge of the diamond business.

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All the links make it look like a "link farm"- where many different google ads appear. I'm sure you were not doing this, but many such sites get paid for clicks, and attempt to "spam" people over to get more traffic.

 

Emerald - The emerald has an old-fashioned, traditional look. It isn’t very popular today.

Radiant - This shape diamond was popular before the princess shape was invented. It is no longer popular.

Heart - Not easy to come because it isn’t very popular.

Marquise - More sought after than the emerald today but still has a more traditional look.

Pear - Also called a teardrop, is usually set into pendants.

 

I'm sorry Vee- but there's just so many innaccurate and misleading aspects to your page, it really has no place in an informed discussion about diamonds.

 

FYI- Radiant is very popular today- and it was developed around the same time as the Princess cut. There are a lot of folks that LOVE heart shaped diamonds. These were sold less than two hours after we put them on our web site.

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We sell many more emerald cuts ( which are still VERY popular) as compared to Marquise- both of which we carry. I hear this from a lot of the retailers we talk to.

Many people LOVE pear shapes in rings

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These are but a few of the many misleading and incorrect statements on the page.

 

Best of luck!

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Oy-vey, maybe I should switch to recipes - huh?

 

I got most of my info by doing research on the web. I don't recall exactly where I obtained each piece of info but it's out there somewhere.

 

The advice portion came out of my own life experiences - but the factual stuff was copied. Don't know how much more effort I'm going to put into this blog but I will promise you guys that if I keep the blog live - I'll correct the rest of it too. I've already made most of the changes Neil gave me.

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Oh my, I hadn't even noticed that whole column because I had written it off as just a series of Google ads. <_< <_< <_< <_<

 

As you suggest of diamond shoppers, do some homework before you write your husband's page or he's going to come across looking like a fool. Consider hiring a pro.

 

Neil


Neil Beaty

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There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.

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Not much I can do, or anyone else for that matter, that would cause my awesome husband to come across as a fool but, thanks for the advice anyway.

 

As much as I'm touched by the loyalty, a website full of inaccuracies and deceptions with his name at the top would do it, especially for people who don’t know him personally.

 

Neil


Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA

 

There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.

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I have to agree with Neil.

 

The reason that I have grown to become skeptical, is exactly what Neil said before. The largest online diamond seller reports sales of $1 million a day.

For that reason, forums like this seem a natural offshoot. I mean to say, Let's say that if a person is intelligent enough to use a computer, and is familiar with them. They can grasp the concept that they can save some money buying a diamond online as compared to in a jewelry store.

I'd say it's possible a fair percentage of those folks have the ability, and drive, to find and participate in a discussion like this.

 

 

The sad fact is that also means that there will be sellers that try to abuse the ability to have an open converstion by posting as if they were a consumer, and heaping praise on themselves.

Of course this is usually quickly flushed out on a well run forum, such as this one.

 

Anyway, I write this so you understnad the reason that folks are vigilant.

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As Neil said, hire a pro.. People won't know your husband personally when they view his website.. They'll only know what they read there..

 

As for you blog, you do know that you are violating Google's terms of service with your adsense ads, right?? In all honesty, the first time I looked at it I thought, link farm / scam site designed to get people to click on adsense ads and nothing more.. Sorry, it's just what it looks like to me..

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Steve

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AnimalCharms.Net

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In all honesty, the first time I looked at it I thought, link farm / scam site designed to get people to click on adsense ads and nothing more.. Sorry, it's just what it looks like to me..

 

 

 

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.

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I am replying again - only because Neil and a couple of others were very professional and nice about this whole thing. Some of the people who commented don't even deserve my response.

 

I have several blogs. The "Diamond Tips" blog is the oddball in the group and the only reason I decided to create it is because I really got upset when I heard my friends were cheated. It's more frustrating to hear that someone had done your friends a wrong and you may have been able to help them avoid such a situation...thus the blog.

 

My other blogs are all touchy feely blogs for battered wives, teenagers and online dangers, spouses who are in an abusive relationship, tips for parents on helping out of control teens, etc. I am not currently employed so I keep myself busy by trying to help others. I cannot tell people that my blog exists without advertising it with Google. But as much as I would like to provide a place for people to spill their guts and read about others in their situation, I don't think I should have to cover the cost of this advertising these blogs. This is the only reason I have AdSense ads on my blogs. I read the Google manuals and followed their instructions on placing these ads. I'm not in any way apologizing for the AdSense ads because even if I was not doing this for what I consider to be good causes, I have every right to have these ads on my blogs and websites.

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I am replying again - only because Neil and a couple of others were very professional and nice about this whole thing. Some of the people who commented don't even deserve my response.

 

I have several blogs. The "Diamond Tips" blog is the oddball in the group and the only reason I decided to create it is because I really got upset when I heard my friends were cheated. It's more frustrating to hear that someone had done your friends a wrong and you may have been able to help them avoid such a situation...thus the blog.

 

My other blogs are all touchy feely blogs for battered wives, teenagers and online dangers, spouses who are in an abusive relationship, tips for parents on helping out of control teens, etc. I am not currently employed so I keep myself busy by trying to help others. I cannot tell people that my blog exists without advertising them with Google. But as much as I would like to provide a place for people to spill their guts and read about others in their situation, I don't think I should have to cover the cost of advertising these blogs. This is the only reason I have AdSense ads on my blogs. I read the Google manuals and followed their instructions on placing these ads. I'm not in any way apologizing for the AdSense ads because even if I was not doing this for what I consider to be good causes, I have every right to have these ads on my blogs and websites. Those who don't like it, can certainly move on to another website.

 

It's true that I was not as careful with my "diamonds" research as I was with my other subject matters. I guess because I felt closer to the diamonds subject and knew nothing about the other subjects as I am thankfully not living with any of those situations.

 

I take full responsibility for my diamonds blog and I made a fair attempt to correct the misinformation. But I will not spend any more of my time on this. Reading some of the comments here is insulting and unfair and I just don't need it. I will be moving on now. And even though you all know very well that there is merit in what I have written on my site - and even though I still feel very strongly about this subject - I will probably be taking down my diamonds blog because every time I look at it, I get a bad taste in my mouth.

 

Congratulations - you've managed to shut me up on this subject for now. But not for long because I am currently researching some new information and will probably have something to say about it soon.

 

Thanks Neil for the edits you provided - I appreciate it.

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Married,

 

Thanks for removing the peppered links.

 

Just a clarification. I don't mind if you provide your link, like others do here, as part of your identity in your signature. Once again I refer you to the Forum Rules (third link from the left at the very bottom of this page), the policies are pretty clearly laid out there.


Hermann

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The issue isn't the adsense.. It's the 5, count them 5, separate ad blocks on the page.. I'm surprised that you still have an adsense account since they tend to be pretty proactive about canceling people that put that many on a page. Plus it makes it look terribly spammy..

 

Reread the TOS and it's pretty clear how many you can have..


Steve

Gear Head - Designer - Bench Jeweler - Artist - Web Developer

AnimalCharms.Net

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Feydakin - you can have 3 ad blocks on a page PLUS, you are permitted to have referral ads - which are not counted as part of the 3 - video ads - and up to two Google search boxes on one page.

 

I'm not operating outside any Google policy and that's exactly why I still have a Google account. Besides, are you really worried about Google? If you have ever done affiliate marketing with them, which it sounds like you have, you'll find that they ALWAYS come out on top. It's like Vegas. You think you'll at least break even so you keep trying. My bill is growing everyday. And that's why I have the maximum number of ads on my blogs. I can't afford to pay them the cost of all those clicks.

 

My ultimate goal is to be able to talk to people and get my message across without having to pay for it. I may never reach this goal, but at least I'll know I've tried.

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Feydakin, here's a quote from the Google guidelines:

 

Up to three ad units may be displayed on each page. <LI>A maximum of two Google AdSense for search boxes may be placed on a page. <LI>Up to three link units may also be placed on each page. <LI>Up to three referral units may be displayed on a page, in addition to the ad units, search boxes, and link units specified above.

 

I'm actually below the maximum number of permitted ads.

 

I'll take your comment about it looking "spammy" to heart and see if I can make it look better. I want my readers to read what I have to say, not get lost in Google ads.

 

Thanks!

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Feydakin - you can have 3 ad blocks on a page PLUS, you are permitted to have referral ads - which are not counted as part of the 3 - video ads - and up to two Google search boxes on one page.

 

I'm not operating outside any Google policy and that's exactly why I still have a Google account. Besides, are you really worried about Google? If you have ever done affiliate marketing with them, which it sounds like you have, you'll find that they ALWAYS come out on top. It's like Vegas. You think you'll at least break even so you keep trying. My bill is growing everyday. And that's why I have the maximum number of ads on my blogs. I can't afford to pay them the cost of all those clicks.

 

My ultimate goal is to be able to talk to people and get my message across without having to pay for it. I may never reach this goal, but at least I'll know I've tried.

 

Married,

 

I've never done an affiliate program with Google or anyone else and I'm interested in how this works. Presumably Google pays you if someone sees one of those ads that they think is interesting and clicks on it and they get their cut from the advertiser but where do you end up owing them? If no one clicks, or they simply don't find your site at all, doesn't that simply end up at zero effect. Are you buying adword ads for this site on other peoples pages? Why?

 

Neil


Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA

 

There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.

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Neil - I just spent about 20 minutes typing an answer to you then I must have clicked on something because I lost all the text. Oh well...I'll try again.

 

If you want to direct traffic to your website so you can better sell you product, you can advertise with Google through what is called AdWord ads. This simply means that when a person conducts a seach on Google for a related keyword - say, diamond jewelry, your ad would likely show up on the right side of the response page. If the user clicks on your ad, you would have to pay the cost of the click, as determined between you and Google.

 

Because not everyone makes a purchase, you would likely end up owing Google for those clicks. You can offset some of this cost with AdSense ads, which you also set up through Google. Google places ads on your site and when people click on them, you earn the cost of that click.

 

To find out how to sign up and read a much better, more detailed explanation, go to the Google homepage, then click on "Advertising Programs" under the Google search box. Then choose AdWords to advertise with Google and AdSense to set up other people's ads on your site.

 

Let me know if I can do anything to help you.

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I can give you a call tomorrow Neil if you are really interested, but basically the problem works out like this "if" you are not selling a product..

 

You purchase an AdWord, say jewelry, from Google.. That gets listed in the search results on google and other people's webpages.. If someone clicks on it, you pay Google $1.00..

 

Now they come to your website and see another link and click on it.. But Google only pays you 40 cents and keeps 60 cents for themselves.. So you have now just lost 60 cents in the transaction..

 

the trick is to buy "cheap" words but have expensive ones on your website so that you can turn a profit.. Or even better, not pay for adwords at all and just rank real well in the natural results to get free traffic and hope that they click on your links so you make a "little" money..

 

Married: you will never see good payout rates with that many ad blocks on a page compared to the quality score I'm sure that your site has.. I run another jewelry portal site with gobs of content and the adwords conversion sucks, always has, so I've been replacing it with better ad opportunities.. But I don't really hope to make any money from that site anyway so it's no big deal..


Steve

Gear Head - Designer - Bench Jeweler - Artist - Web Developer

AnimalCharms.Net

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I totally agree with Steve - Google makes sure that they keep more of your money than they give you...no matter what you do, you end up paying them.

 

About site ranking...I'm not sure I understand how it all works. All I know is, every visitor that ended up on my blogs came from a click I paid for.

 

Neil - I had to buy words for the Diamonds site if I wanted anyone to read my blog. There are other ways to drive traffic but they are all so unethical that I just can't go that way. There are literally hundreds of e-books on the Internet that supposedly teach you how to drive traffic to your site for free but it's all bad news. It's stuff like e-mail spam...they have tricks for collecting people's e-mail addresses. They got me so many times that I now get at least 200 spam-type e-mails a day.

 

My experience has taught me that it really is like Vegas - only Google is the casino and the house always wins.

 

On the other hand, I know someone who makes thousands of dollars a month on the Internet. He doesn't just do AdWords and AdSense...he has his own servers and owns thousands of websites but even he has not discovered the secret (at least that's what he claims) to actually make money with AdSense. I would be thrilled to just break even.

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Uh, married, again, I'm not sure where you get information like this -

 

There are other ways to drive traffic but they are all so unethical that I just can't go that way.

 

That is just a terrifyingly wrong statement.. Very few people "pay" for traffic and most do quite well, honestly, in the process.. Less than 20% of my traffic comes from Google and I'm happy to have it that way.. And while there may be thousands of ebooks that are junk, there are hundreds that are stuff full of excellent information that is worth a read.. Again, blanket statements tend to be bad things..

 

Actually "making" money with just adsense is an entirely different animal.. Hosting their ads on your site tends to not be enough.. You need to get in to things like arbitrage to make real money at it.. But that's an entirely different topic..


Steve

Gear Head - Designer - Bench Jeweler - Artist - Web Developer

AnimalCharms.Net

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When I say that there is no other ethical way, it's because I don't know of one...

 

So if I understand what you're saying - you don't think that there's very much I can do about the whole AdWords/AdSense thing - not even to break even but that there are other ways to drive traffic to my sites - right?

 

Unfortunately, I haven't found anything concrete and ethical yet that I am able to use for driving traffic. If you know of other ways to drive traffic and e-books that tell you how, I would love a tip or a url...or anything.

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Vee, my name is Steve - hi.. This whole discussion has probably moved well beyond the off topic category in to an entirely different subject..

 

There are dozens of forums out there that can help with these types of things.. But basically you are looking to do some search engine optimization (SEO) and traffic building.. I'll PM you some forums that you would be welcome to visit and learn from.. I'm a mod on a few - it's what I do when I'm not making jewelry..

 

or not.. PMs are disabled..

 

if it's ok, with Herman, if you have questions about developing your website you can join us at http://www.webworkshop.net/seoforum/index.php as a starting point.. I use the same nickname there as well..

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Steve

Gear Head - Designer - Bench Jeweler - Artist - Web Developer

AnimalCharms.Net

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