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Having second thoughts on JA diamond due to knot, need urgent help finding replacement!

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So I posted this thread yesterday to get some second thoughts on a Diamond I had just ordered:


James Allen said they can switch the Diamond before it reaches production (which could be very soon) but I need to tell them right away. The following Diamonds are on my narrow list, if anyone can help me pick a replacement (or keep the original) it would be VERY appreciated. My number one important factor is the cut, then colour and then clarity. Price is not important right now.

1.27 Carat I-VVS2 Excellent Cut Round Diamond: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...excellent-cut-sku-7368745?a_aid=55f8cd4e21a11

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1.21 Carat I-VS2 Excellent Cut Round Diamond: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...excellent-cut-sku-8270621?a_aid=55f8cd4e21a11

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1.20 Carat I-VS2 Excellent Cut Round Diamond: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...excellent-cut-sku-8101806?a_aid=55f8cd4e21a11

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1.21 Carat I-VS2 Excellent Cut Round Diamond: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...excellent-cut-sku-8699970?a_aid=55f8cd4e21a11

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1.25 Carat I-VS2 Excellent Cut Round Diamond: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...excellent-cut-sku-8540792?a_aid=55f8cd4e21a11


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1.20 Carat I-VS2 Excellent Cut Round Diamond: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...excellent-cut-sku-8290780?a_aid=55f8cd4e21a11

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Right now I'm leaning toward the 8699970 (1.21 Carat I-VS2 Excellent Cut). Any and all help is GREATLY appreciated!!
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Someone also recommended a True Hearts one which is more expensive than the rest but it might be worth it?:

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All look good "on paper". Or at least good enough and similar enough that I don't think you can discard them based on the report info.

There's $600 price spread - not sure whether that makes a difference for you (and I don't know how it compares to the "reference" stone, but I'll assume it was in this range). I'll ignore it in what follows, which is my purely subjective opinion - other people may come to completely different conclusions.

The only one I would discard immediately is the one ending in 792. It may be eye-clean, but at some point the schmutz right in the middle of the table is going to trouble me.

Kind-of-similar but much less so for 970, which has also got one of the least symmetrical and badly contrasted patterns (the overall amount of contrast is fine; I just don't like the pattern). Second one out for me.

745: it looks foggy, even though it has the highest clarity of all. Maybe the camera was out of focus? Nice pattern, though. Also, a bit of a thick girdle makes it smaller than it could be - however the price is not high considering it's a VVS in a bunch of VS (and some marginal ones at that!). It also seems one of the more strongly tinted (within them all being "I") - but again it could be the camera: don't set white balance for a while, and you can get much worse... with the same object!

621 also looks foggy. Same observations (minus the price!) as for 745, so it may be the camera for these two, if they are from the same wholesaler (JA does not own the diamonds).

This leaves 806 and 780. 780 is a smidgen larger, but once set the difference will be totally invisible. It also seems a teensy bit more symmetrical in pattern (and it's $300 less). However, I prefer 806 - at least in the video. It's crisper and more lively.

Compared to the "reference" (the one with the knot), the reference is more contrasted overall, and probably a bit less fiery. It's also a bit more schmutzy, but the inclusions are so spread out and not under the table that I don't think you'll ever see them (unlike some of the others here: our eye/brain system learns to spot patterns and over time things become more easily visible...). In all, and ignoring the knotty question AND the price difference (if any), I'd stick with 911 - based on the video.


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Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
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42 minutes ago, davidelevi said:

All look good "on paper". Or at least good enough and similar enough that I don't think you can discard them based on the report info.

There's $600 price spread - not sure whether that makes a difference for you (and I don't know how it compares to the "reference" stone, but I'll assume it was in this range). I'll ignore it in what follows, which is my purely subjective opinion - other people may come to completely different conclusions.

The only one I would discard immediately is the one ending in 792. It may be eye-clean, but at some point the schmutz right in the middle of the table is going to trouble me.

Kind-of-similar but much less so for 970, which has also got one of the least symmetrical and badly contrasted patterns (the overall amount of contrast is fine; I just don't like the pattern). Second one out for me.

745: it looks foggy, even though it has the highest clarity of all. Maybe the camera was out of focus? Nice pattern, though. Also, a bit of a thick girdle makes it smaller than it could be - however the price is not high considering it's a VVS in a bunch of VS (and some marginal ones at that!). It also seems one of the more strongly tinted (within them all being "I") - but again it could be the camera: don't set white balance for a while, and you can get much worse... with the same object!

621 also looks foggy. Same observations (minus the price!) as for 745, so it may be the camera for these two, if they are from the same wholesaler (JA does not own the diamonds).

This leaves 806 and 780. 780 is a smidgen larger, but once set the difference will be totally invisible. It also seems a teensy bit more symmetrical in pattern (and it's $300 less). However, I prefer 806 - at least in the video. It's crisper and more lively.

Compared to the "reference" (the one with the knot), the reference is more contrasted overall, and probably a bit less fiery. It's also a bit more schmutzy, but the inclusions are so spread out and not under the table that I don't think you'll ever see them (unlike some of the others here: our eye/brain system learns to spot patterns and over time things become more easily visible...). In all, and ignoring the knotty question AND the price difference (if any), I'd stick with 911 - based on the video.

I can't stress enough how much I appreciate your insight and information provided today. I feel like I was about to make a hasty decision but you have some very valid points and I've decided to stick with the 911. I value cut significantly more than the other qualities and while some of the diamonds (806/780 and maybe 745) are fairly nice, I don't think any of them are cut as nicely as the 911. I don't think think resale is even on the table because the only scenario I can see where I would change diamonds is to upgrade in the future if I have more disposable income. In that case, I would just trade it in via JA and their lifetime upgrade policy.

Furthermore, the knot is 3rd in priority on the symbols on a diamond that was rated VS2 so I don't think there is any issue with the integrity (which was my main concern). I doubt I will be able to see the knot with naked eye but even if I can, it will probably bother me less than some of the inclusions on the alternatives. Thanks once again for your help! Also, just for reference the 911 was $5910 USD as a loose diamond.

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You are most welcome. Do come back to tell us if you (both) are happy or not once you get the knot tied with a knot (OK, I know, I'm a dad, and that's a dad joke).

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18 minutes ago, davidelevi said:

You are most welcome. Do come back to tell us if you (both) are happy or not once you get the knot tied with a knot (OK, I know, I'm a dad, and that's a dad joke).

Haha I will for sure! I'll provide an update the day it ships and when I get her reaction

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