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Final Opinion Needed on 0.9ct Ideal/SI2/J Round Cut

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Hey all,


I'm considering purchasing this Round Cut diamond that is Ideal/SI2/J. Everything seems to check out, but the one thing I'm worried about is that the depth is 62.7. Is this too deep? My budget is around 3,700 and I would like to have a diamond that is 0.9+ ct. I believe this is the best deal I will get for this price range. Attached are some documents about the diamond from GIA.



Thank you so much!

 

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1. GIA does not use the word 'ideal'. Many vendors use it to mean "this is a diamond I want to sell".

2. AGS has defined carefully what they mean with 'ideal', and I don't think this would qualify under that definition.

3. It's not badly cut, but it has a little bit of "fat" everywhere (especially in the crown), which makes it somewhat smaller than other well cut 0.90 ct with a little less overall depth. If face-up size is one of your main considerations, I think you could do better with other 0.90 stones.

4. Whether it's "the best deal" depends on other factors too... as one of the frequent posters here is fond of saying, "a great price on the wrong thing is no bargain". For example, I'd be cautious with an SI2 whose only apparent grading characteristic is a cloud, unless I can see the stone - and one photo is not "seeing". And that's before we even look at the price: for $3,700 I think you can do better.


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Hi davidelevi,

Thank you for your response.

The vendor I am looking at specifically is Blue Nile. I am very new to the diamond search so I do not know exactly what qualifies as an 'ideal' diamond, but the GIA report for this diamond says it is an 'excellent' cut. Is this similar to 'ideal'?

Here is the link to the actual diamond itself: https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-your-own-ring/diamond-details/LD13519927

From the close-up picture, it seems like there are no inclusions. What I am mainly looking for is a diamond that will shine brightly and have the best light performance for my money. Would this diamond be a good candidate for that despite the depth?

Do you have any other recommendations in where to look for an eye-clean, 0.9+ ct diamond with the best possible cut at $3,700?

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Another correction, I live in Canada so I would preferably like to spend around $3,000 USD on a loose diamond.

I did a little more research and here are some diamonds I found that I liked in order of preference:

1. 0.814 ct J SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Diamond $2,786 USD:
     https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4175856.htm

2. 0.833 ct J SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Diamond $2,929 USD:

     https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4193181.htm

3. 0.891 ct J SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Diamond $3,162 USD:

     https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4219799.htm

5. Brian Gavin Hearts & Arrows 0.817 J VS1 Signature Round $3,013 USD:

     https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/0.817-j-vs1-signature-round-ags-104110597010

6. 0.84 Ct. Platinum Select Round H SI2 Round Cut Diamond $2,517 USD:

     https://www.goodoldgold.com/diamonds/id/3773578

 

I'm leaning towards the ones from Whiteflash, as they also provide a 100$ off coupon. Is J too low of a colour grade for a White Gold setting?

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2 hours ago, mfm said:

it seems like there are no inclusions

Yes and no... it seems that the whole diamond is cloudy.

2 hours ago, mfm said:

What I am mainly looking for is a diamond that will shine brightly and have the best light performance for my money. Would this diamond be a good candidate for that despite the depth?

The depth would not be my concern; all it will do (with the rest of the proportions) is to make the diamond's diameter a little smaller than it could be. My concern is the clearly very diffused cloud and the possibility that it will affect brilliance. Unfortunately the only way to know is to see the diamond in person.

2 hours ago, mfm said:

the GIA report for this diamond says it is an 'excellent' cut. Is this similar to 'ideal'?

In a sense; as I mentioned above, a lot of people bandy around the word "ideal (cut)" but don't define what they mean. AGS (another lab like GIA) do, and it's a far more restrictive definition than GIA 'excellent'. Or - put another way - pretty much all AGS 'ideal' will be GIA 'excellent'; many GIA 'excellent' will NOT be AGS 'ideal'.

32 minutes ago, mfm said:

here are some diamonds I found that I liked:

I think any of the 3 options you have listed will look better than your "original" choice; although they are all a little smaller, they'll be brighter and sparklier. Of those 3, I also think the 0.814 is the best "value for money" - unless you are worried about the J colour, in which case clearly the best one is the 0.84


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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12 minutes ago, davidelevi said:

unless you are worried about the J colour, in which case clearly the best one is the 0.84

Thank you davidelevi for the response once again. Would a J colour be okay on a white gold setting? I am leaning towards the 0.814 and the 0.891 now just because they seem like a very good deal, along with the 100$ off coupon Whiteflash is offering. I believe I may have edited my post after you responded so feel free to check my last post again if that is the case.

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You are most welcome.

20 minutes ago, mfm said:

Would a J colour be okay on a white gold setting?

It wouldn't be my first choice, but as a solitaire it's OK. If you intend using side stones or a halo, make sure the vendor will be able to match the colour of the other stones with the centre.

Of the two you have added, the 0.891 is worth considering since it will be (just) visibly larger than the 0.814; the 0.833 will look basically the same. If you can afford the extra $400 it will get you pretty close to your original goal of 0.90.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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You've been super helpful with this process! I will most likely go with the 0.814 or the 0.891 then.

I plan on just having it as a solitaire, so I guess that should be okay.

What is the lowest colour grade you personally look for in a diamond for a solitaire setting?

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My hesitation is more due to the white gold, which is usually rhodium plated and very very "white". With platinum, which is greyer, I would not have any issues: here's a photo showing a lot of colour in a K set in platinum (the diamond looks much whiter in reality), and it doesn't bother me at all; I've seen (and sold) M, N and O-P in this metal, and they look really good

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same would go for yellow or rose gold - or even unplated white (palladium alloy). Rhodium plate... well, I like it less in general.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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I definitely prefer it - for a number of reasons - but:

1. Not everybody does, and there's absolutely nothing wrong in preferring white gold

2. It will be more expensive


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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Thank you so much, lots of information I will have to consider!  😁

I am leaning towards the 0.814 diamond with a platinum solitaire setting. I will definitely let you know what I go with!

Have a great day Davide.

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1 hour ago, VVS Jewelry Store said:

forcing me to give you much better options

Umm, no it isn't. No one is forcing you, and this is not a "better option", certainly not in terms of cut proportions compared to the diamonds being looked at above.

1 hour ago, VVS Jewelry Store said:

India is a manufacturing hub of diamonds and hence, you can get a lot better price here.

Not really. Retail diamond pricing via internet is not particularly dependent on country of location of the diamond; India has some advantage in terms of low labour costs, but for an internet-based operation that is not a main driver of cost. Many of the diamonds advertised by "US-based" brokers are in India until they are drop-shipped to the consumer...


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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