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Solitaire earrings and pendant- J color too yellow?

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Hello,

 
I need your advice on something - will a J color look yellow when set in 3 prong WG earrings and pendant? Brian gavin customer agent assures me that it'll be fine and that their cut makes the color less visible. See attached photo of the two -.76 ct diamonds. I have no experience of purchase from Brian gavin so don't really know if their signature cut can make that much of a difference in less than 1 carat weight.
 
Earring -
 
Pendant -
 
But when I looked at AGS Ideal J VS diamonds at James allen, they look very yellow in 20X and 1X zoom.
 
 
Should I sacrifice carat and go for higher color or I'm overthinking this?
Please let me know your thoughts, I really appreciate it.

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Short answer: if you pardon the frankness, you are not necessarily overthinking but underdoing...

Go out and look at diamonds; most jewellers don't bite, and have GIA/AGS-graded G, H, I and J stones you can look at. They are much better proxies for what these things look like relative to each other than photos on the internet.

Longer answer:

Technically speaking, the people at BG are correct that a well cut diamond will appear whiter - and here is a recent thread attesting to that; note that it's not the experts pointing this out beforehand: the OP asking for advice found out by himself. 

FWIW, BG's "Signature" series are among the best cut round stones available anywhere at any price.

Still technically speaking, taking good photos of diamonds is not totally straightforward, and small differences in the lighting, the camera and the setting can make a fair amount of visual difference in the result - which is one reason why grading colour (even approximately) from a photo is a hopeless task. The difficulty of comparing photos across websites is compounded by all those factors changing at the same time, plus others (especially in coloured diamonds, the amount of "post-processing" is - ahem - varied from "it came out of the camera that way, and I publish it that way" to outright faking of colour).

Third piece of technically speaking, colour perception is quite varied across people, both in terms of the ability to detect variations and in the aesthetic assessment of the result. What to me is a barely perceptible warmth in the stone, to you is an unpleasant sign of jaundice - or vice-versa. Bear in mind that if you are buying for someone else their perception matters too (and women have a sharper ability at perceiving colour than men, on average).

Final technical point - though it's more about psychology than diamonds - it is important that you and the intended recipient are both happy with the purchase. Buying something that niggles at you (or her/him) is likely to result in unhappiness in the longer term - or at least in the items not being worn.

Add all of those "technical" observations, and I hope my shorter answer becomes more clearly motivated than flippant.

Me? If I had the budget for a top-line cut, I'd go for that and size.

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@ylmhwd Just re-read previous posts by you, and one last point to make is to consider other jewellery. If this set is for you, and you are wearing a large F/G ring all the time, the earrings may be OK, but the pendant may be visibly different and "too near the ring" depending on its setting, chain length, etc. Once again, the extent to which this matters is a personal choice and my advice does not change: go out and see for yourself; use the best cut diamonds you can find as proxies (if you have a Tiffany branch nearby, it's not a bad choice for "testing", though they won't have J colour stones - their "white" range stops at I).

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Thanks David for your reply! I did go into store to checkout J color diamonds but not in Tiffany. I checked out Ben bridge and Kay jewellers. They didn’t have AGS graded ideal stones and I couldn’t see color in diamonds rated as anywhere from G-J in store lighting face up. 

I guess my only reasoning for going down in color is that I want to buy a signature cut in my budget for light performance as Earrings are not as frequently cleaned as Rings :). Also, being smaller in size (0.76ct) I was wondering if color would be visible in ear or around neck. Also would fluorescence help with yellow color in pendant?

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Unfortunately, signature cut or not, they don't stay cleaner. I personally find that the better the cut, the more I clean them... because I know how much they can sparkle.

I was suggesting Tiffany because they generally have well cut (and above all consistently well cut) stones - unfortunately they go from I to Fancy Yellow... but still, what would one not do in the name of research and the advancement of science? 😉

Colour (or clarity, for that matter - SI1 in 0.75 or so would be plenty eye-clean) would definitely be far less visible in earrings; on a pendant I think it depends a bit on the setting and how you wear it (from very close to your neck to 1920 sautoir style "on your belly button", on top of your skin or on a blouse, what colour is the blouse, ...).

Fluorescence will definitely help - in sunlight. Not indoors.

2 hours ago, ylmhwd said:

I did go into store to checkout J color diamonds

And what did you think? Personally, I would be more worried about contrast with your ring than about "absolute" colour, particularly with very well cut stones, but that's precisely one of those things that it's easy to check for.


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Thanks Davide. In store lighting, I couldn't pay much attention to color and I was in bit of a hurry too that day.
Brian Gavin has only couple of SI clarity signature diamonds in 0.7 carat. And the price is quite high for VS clarity , G or H color matching pairs. That makes me wonder if the premium price for Brian Gavin cut is worth it in <1 carat diamonds? Should I look for Excellent cut diamonds at James Allen in better color and still cheaper? Is the cut going to make that much difference to justify extra couple thousand dollars?

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1 hour ago, ylmhwd said:

Is the cut going to make that much difference

I think from a visual point of view cuts makes significantly more difference than colour, especially on stones that aren't very large, but

1 hour ago, ylmhwd said:

to justify extra couple thousand dollars?

I'll answer that one when you answer me this one: how long is a piece of string?

Flippancy aside, I really cannot tell you. Earrings in particular are fairly invisible to the wearer and depending on your hairstyle may be fairly invisible to someone looking at you too. Maybe save on those and spend some of the savings on upgrading the pendant's colour, if you feel you need?


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1 hour ago, davidelevi said:

I think from a visual point of view cuts makes significantly more difference than colour, especially on stones that aren't very large

Well I know that cut is the most important C but my question is that is there a huge difference in performance between Signature H&A cut and GIA/AGS Excellent/Ideal Cut diamonds.

I definitely agree on increasing budget for pendant color :D

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Well... there certainly is a visible difference between a typical GIA Excellent and a Brian Gavin cut; maybe less between an average AGS Ideal and BG, not least because all BG cuts are AGS Ideal, and AGS has a much narrower range of "looks" that they are willing to call "Ideal".

This said, you can get some very very nice "unbranded" stones, some that may even be cut with a similar level of attention to detail, but the counterweight to that is the time and effort required in finding them (and you need at least 2 to look fairly similar to each other), plus the better the cut, the higher the price anyway, so you may not end up saving a huge amount. With Brian you know that each stone is going to be consistently cut in the same way - if that is important to you; some of the most gifted jewellery designers of the 20th century didn't care one way or the other 😉

 


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Thanks @davidelevi! I went to Tiffany and could only see very little warmth in J or I color under store lighting. Away from spotlighting they looked whiter. So I’ve decided to stick with J color for earrings but for pendant the above J color is sold out and I’d like to upgrade color anyway. This pendant would be worn in 16” white gold chain in 3prong setting. 

Could you please help me pick the biggest stone under 1 carat with H or higher color from Brian gavin signature diamonds? Thanks!

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I’m not sure if this is a good one - 0.864 H SI-1 $3764

https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/diamonds/104105166052/grading-report

or this - 0.840 H Vs2 $4044

https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/diamonds/104105166027/grading-report

or this - 0.848 G SI-1 $3947

https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/diamonds/104105166044/grading-report

Please help decide from these or better options if you can find any!

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Cut-wise there is little to choose among the three - typical of high-end H&A "signature" lines.

To be honest, anything-wise there is little to choose; I'd go with the H/SI1 since it's marginally (and imperceptibly) larger and a little cheaper than the other two.


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@davidelevi Thanks for you opinion. Apart from my above concern, I was also thinking of carat size of earrings and pendant. In store, for 0.7 ct earring stud, 0.7 ct pendant was looking small in comparison on neck. Is 0.84 H VS2 diamond (my current choice) will look quite small/equal when worn with 0.76 ct earring stud? Should I prioritize carat over color and go for this 0.884ct I SI1 diamond, looking at its aset images and Feather near girdle, would you be concerned?

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.884-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-104071029010#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/2/

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5 hours ago, ylmhwd said:

will these interfere with light return

No. If they did, the diamond would be graded I1/I2 pretty much by definition. Same goes for any concern about durability with feathers. If they threatened in any way the integrity of the diamond, they would not be graded SI (and certainly not SI1).

I wouldn't worry much about relative size, because people will not really see them together; the earrings will be visible mostly from the side, the pendant from the front. This said, the I/SI1 is just about visibly larger than the H/VS2 and it's $500 cheaper, which doesn't hurt.


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