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Hi,

 

I am buying a diamond and after reading quite a lot from internet resource, I just found out this forum which I think I can get more confident. Here are the 2 diamonds I am interested in

 

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4022281.htm and its AGS https://www.whiteflash.com/pdf/104100872034.pdf

 

the second one

 

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4113552.htm and AGS report here https://www.whiteflash.com/pdf/104105373014.pdf

 

My concerns are:

I like the first stone as it is bigger and it seems to have a better ASET image, especially the center, more precise...however, the staff from WF advised me to buy the 2nd stone which has better color but smaller and more included - SI1. She said she personally viewed the 2 stones and looked at them under magnifier. The most concerned thing to me is the face up view of this stone less bright than the other. Its ASET image shows this as some imbalance in the center and in some shaft tips.

I really need a second opinion on those 2 stones to make final decision.

 

Thanks a lot in advance

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I think you'd struggle to tell them apart, and there will be no perceptible (or possibly even repeatably measurable) difference in brightness. One ASET (or hearts view) isn't in any way better than the other.

The difference in diameter may be just about visible with the two stones next to each other, but not once they are set and/or examined separately. Colour is a bit of a moot point with well cut stones seen from the top rather than from the side (and G vs. I). Inclusions - yes, there's more "stuff in the SI1; it doesn't mean it's more visible.

Ultimately, I think it comes down to whether you prefer one or the other on purely theoretical grounds...


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Thanks Davide for your response. 

Yes, I am really struggling and because i am first time diamond buyer. I absolutely have no clues about the real stone. So many factors need to be considered when choosing one. 

In theory, I prefer VS2 over SI1, but I color seems more yellow when the staff put them side by side. And is I color much lower graded/favored in diamonds?

Do you think either stone worth buying? If you were shopping for a diamond, would you choose one of them?

Thanks a lot!

 

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1 hour ago, diamondfinder said:

I am really struggling

No, sorry, I meant that anyone, including experts, would struggle to tell them apart from a cut quality point of view!!!

1 hour ago, diamondfinder said:

I color seems more yellow when the staff put them side by side. And is I color much lower graded/favored in diamonds?

If you have seen them, and the I seemed tinted, then go for the G.

Somewhere between I and J is where most people start seeing colour; given there is practically no price difference, I would go for an SI1 that I cannot see against an I that I may be able to...

1 hour ago, diamondfinder said:

Do you think either stone worth buying? If you were shopping for a diamond, would you choose one of them?

Both are fantastically well cut. You are paying a premium for that, and other people may prefer something a bit larger or cheaper. Me? I'm a cut snob...

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Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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The heart of this is the balance between weight, clarity, color, and price.  Not so much cutting. G/SI1s generally cost more than otherwise similar I/VS2s.  Heavier stones generally cost more than lighter ones. The reason they’re recommending the G/SI1 is that all things being equal, it’s a better ‘deal’.  When you shop it, which I assume you’ve done, the dealer comes out looking better in comparison to other dealers with similar goods. The missing element is YOU.  Do you prefer G to I or would you prefer something slightly bigger for less money?  That’s about taste, not gemology.  If you haven’t seen what real diamonds look like, go shopping. Maybe even go to Houston and look at Whiteflash. They have a showroom there.  (Note: If you do this, make an appointment and let them know what you expect to see.  Not all or even most stones on the website are in the store).  Most jewelers don't bite and there's no obligation to buy.  Tell them what you're thinking, ask to see what they have, and pay attention to what they have to say. 


Neil Beaty

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There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.

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Thank you Davide for very detailed and direct answers. Now I know which diamond to go to😊

  23 hours ago, diamondfinder said:

I am really struggling

No, sorry, I meant that anyone, including experts, would struggle to tell them apart from a cut quality point of view!!!

  23 hours ago, diamondfinder said:

I color seems more yellow when the staff put them side by side. And is I color much lower graded/favored in diamonds?

If you have seen them, and the I seemed tinted, then go for the G.

Somewhere between I and J is where most people start seeing colour; given there is practically no price difference, I would go for an SI1 that I cannot see against an I that I may be able to...

  23 hours ago, diamondfinder said:

Do you think either stone worth buying? If you were shopping for a diamond, would you choose one of them?

Both are fantastically well cut. You are paying a premium for that, and other people may prefer something a bit larger or cheaper. Me? I'm a cut snob...

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Davide 

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Hi Neil,

Much appreciate for your feedback to my post. I have read many threads and comments/reviews by you in some diamond forums; and I really like them.  The fact is flying to US and to Houston is in my very far future. But surely I will visit not only WF if I have chance. I am diamond lover and enjoy knowing about it.

Yeah, I am in finalizing with the G stone and hope come back soon to show the bling!

Wish all very good health!

 

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12 hours ago, diamondfinder said:

Yeah, I am in finalizing with the G stone and hope come back soon to show the bling!

Congratulations! Looking forward to seeing photos!


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Hi Davide, Are you based in UK? I checked diamondbylauren.com and found it is in NY.

I have a friend who travel to London often and she is looking for one stone. 

 

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I am based in the UK, but the business is a US business. We do ship internationally - and once you remove the distorting effects of duties and taxes, "internet" diamond prices are the same globally (unlike "high street retail" where costs can be wildly different from one country and even one city or location to another).


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Congratulations! May you both enjoy the diamond - and more importantly your life together - with this enthusiasm for a long time to come!

A couple of technical points:

1. "negligible" is AGS-speak for "no fluorescence", not what GIA calls "faint" (which AGS calls also "faint"). In your photos the blue is well visible and it really is most likely the sky; if a diamond turned that blue when exposed to UV it would be a strong blue!

2. The effect of cut on colour is well known - which is one reason why D-Z diamonds are graded through the side: the minute variations (at least until one reaches L - M or thereabouts) can only be seen reliably when eliminating the "distorting" effect of cut.

The diamond industry then does a fairly hypocritical roundabout and grades fancy colour diamonds by looking at them face up, the argument being that if it shows enough colour to be considered "fancy", then what matters for grading is the appearance. There are some technical reasons why this is so, but I can't help feeling that emphasizing the fine distinction between (say) D and G is just a way of extracting more money (AKA "marketing").

Going back through the thread, I cannot help believing that if you had ordered the I and put it next to the D in the same way  you describe in your other post, you would have observed the same: brilliance overcomes body colour.

Anyway - none of this really matters; what does is that you like the diamond. Thanks for coming back and posting nice photos and the complete story!


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Thanks a lot for your advice and sharing Davide😊

Your advice was critical to make my decision on this stone while I was on the fence at that moment.

I feel much confident after reading your comment on the blue tint. Wearing this ACA ring, I think that I am totally happy with G color.  In our Asian circle, they are obsessed with only D, E and very rare F. Who on earth dare wearing a G or H or even I🤣 But compared to all the big loose diamonds and diamond rings that I have came across for years, I thought mine is most fiery, bright and sparkling.

I think I can go to H or I comfortably now. D and E are extremely unnecessarily overpriced, not mentioned investment categories.

Again, thanks for opening this meaningful forum.

 

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