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Sebastian Rosenmejer Ibsen

Help with heart shaped ASET

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Hi everyone, 

I've been researching and learning about diamonds for a while to get just the right one for an engagement ring. I finally found one which I think is pretty nice. I got the ASET report as most sites recommend, but it uses a black background which makes it hard comparing it to the ASET reports I've found online with white background (the cropping is also weird). Can you guys help me out, and tell me if this seems like a good choice for brilliance and fire? 

 

Thanks guys! 

 

Best regards

Sebastian

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Um... something is amiss. The shape (contour/silhouette/outline) of the ASET doesn't match the diamond's photo... there is a fairly pronounced cleft in the photo, whereas the ASET shows no cleft at all (or reflection of facets that should not be there, meaning the ASET image has not been taken correctly).

That aside, you won't get any information on fire and limited information on brilliance (brightness and static contrast only) from an ASET regardless. And because of the variation in shape and cutting scheme, not just faceting angles, an ASET is far less comparable across non-round stones than it is for rounds, so I wouldn't call it a particularly useful indication of whether the stone is good or not.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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Hi David, 

Yeah, I figured something was wrong with the ASET which is why I found this forum. 

But it doesn't really matter if ASET is not useful for non-round diamonds anyway. What would you recommed me to do to find out if the stone is good or not then? Seeing it in person is problematic as I live in Denmark, so even though the site has a return policy I would pay a lot just in shipping and taxes 

 

Best regards

Sebastian

 

 

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Hi Sebastian,

Unfortunately, there isn't much of a substitute for seeing... Can the vendor at least provide a good quality video of the stone - and preferably another comparable or two together?

Shipping out should be "free" - and many vendors will pick up return shipping for one stone or two, though possibly not on lower price stones. VAT is refundable if you re-export the goods because they are "not responding to specification"; duty may or may not be refundable, but it's 2.5% at most, so while not pleasant, not a huge amount.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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I rather like the black backgrounds but it does take a little bit of practice to interpret them. From my world (I’m an appraiser), the advantage is that you can replicate them with a mounted stone and you can’t with the white background ones.  I do find them useful, just not for evaluating fire as you requested.  In any case, I agree with Davide that it’s not for the same stone so it doesn’t matter a bit.

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Hi guys, 

The vendor did have a high quality video of the diamond, but when I placed the diamond on hold they removed the diamond page from the website. Before I placed on hold I had Paul from https://beyond4cs.com take a look at it. He seemed very impressed with the stone, but I wanted a second opinion as I don't know if there's a practice of using expert online referral to sell diamonds. 

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43 minutes ago, Sebastian Rosenmejer Ibsen said:

there's a practice of using expert online referral to sell diamonds

It's called affiliate marketing, and it's very widespread. Whether that applies in this case is a completely different question!

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Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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If you are set on this one, probably yes. There are plenty of other options - including (possibly) finding the same stone through another vendor that can provide more information and/or easier logistics

Here's another 100 or so that "could" work, just based on G/VS1-VVS1 0.70 - 0.80 ct:

https://www.diamondreview.com/diamonds?sortOrder=price&sortDesc=0&fShape=Hrt&fCaratLo=0.70&fCaratHi=0.80&fColorLo=G&fColorHi=G&fClarityLo=VVS1&fClarityHi=VS1&fCutLo=&fCutHi=poor&fDepthLo=0.0&fDepthHi=100.0&fTableLo=0.0&fTableHi=100.0&fSymLo=&fSymHi=poor&fPolLo=&fPolHi=poor&fCulLo=&fCulHi=vlarge&fFlrLo=&fFlrHi=vstrong&fPriceLo=0&fPriceHi=1000000000&adv=1


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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7 hours ago, davidelevi said:

It's called affiliate marketing, and it's very widespread. Whether that applies in this case is a completely different question!

The paycheck for affiliates comes from directing you towards particular sellers. They may find the same stone, they may find one that’s better (or cheaper), or they may lead you to something else entirely. There’s nothing specifically wrong with any of that but bear in mind that we’re talking about commission sales people. Take their advice accordingly. 


Neil Beaty

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There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.

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It looks fine, as far as things can be judged from the video. No obvious windowing or excessive contrast (all white, then all black); nice cleft, shoulders and crown height, perhaps girdle could be a little thinner, but that's hardly the end of the world.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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