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On a budget - would love advice on this Round 0.8ct, H, VS2


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I appreciate any help received. I'm a first time buyer of an engagement ring. Living in the UK (but Irish!), potentially purchasing from a company called '77 diamonds'.

I am on a budget, max £4000 for diamond AND ring.

My question is - is this a good buy? I've tried educating myself, and have picked this one out by myself. The price for the diamond is £2,652 GBP

It would be set as a solitaire in Platinum.

To view a 360 video of the diamond, enter this URL,  copy and paste this diamond ID and enter it below the table of results. More info screenshots below

URL https://www.77diamonds.com/loose_diamonds.html

Diamond id RBCPFACTKDYM

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Also, If i was to buy a ring with a diamond band, I would consider this 0.8ct, I, VS2 diamond, so that I could have a nicer ring within budget. Could I please have some advice on this diamond too?

URL https://www.77diamonds.com/loose_diamonds.html

Diamond ID 2195925821  

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Crystal and pinpoint clarity characteristics.

Again, I'm very appreciative to anyone who would give their time to help me out - one shot to get this right and make this special!

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Both seem well cut; the "Very Good" symmetry (and slight out-of-round) on the H would make me prefer the I, and the video confirms this (subjective) preference. Both seem eye-clean and will look white in isolation once set.

Whether £150 makes a difference on the setting, only you can judge, especially since you haven't posted details of the settings you'd like to get. For a simple, good quality solitaire in gold, £800 should be plenty and £950 won't get you much different (I think - but this is a subjective opinion). All this said, I'd still go for the I and either pocket the £150 or get the nicer setting that you wish.

On prices, you can find several hundred comparable stones here: https://www.diamondreview.com/diamonds

It's free, anonymous and totally commitment free - just remember to convert USD to GBP and (if relevant) to add VAT.

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Just realised that the one with "Excellent" symmetry was the I, not the H!
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11 hours ago, davidelevi said:

Both seem well cut; the "Excellent" symmetry (and slight out-of-round) on the H would make me prefer the I, and the video confirms this (subjective) preference. Both seem eye-clean and will look white in isolation once set.

Whether £150 makes a difference on the setting, only you can judge, especially since you haven't posted details of the settings you'd like to get. For a simple, good quality solitaire in gold, £800 should be plenty and £950 won't get you much different (I think - but this is a subjective opinion). All this said, I'd still go for the I and either pocket the £150 or get the nicer setting that you wish.

On prices, you can find several hundred comparable stones here: https://www.diamondreview.com/diamonds

It's free, anonymous and totally commitment free - just remember to convert USD to GBP and (if relevant) to add VAT.

Thanks for taking the time to reply David, and great advice.

Let me show you the settings I am considering (all in platinum):

Firstly, this 'delicacy' ring. https://www.77diamonds.com/engagement-rings/solitaire

It is simpler in design and I know my s/o likes the elegance of this style of ring. It is also easier on the budget to, which made me think of using the 'H' stone in this setting.

Second, this 'Kindrea' style ring (diamond band) https://www.77diamonds.com/engagement-rings/diamond-band

I really like the sparkle provided by such rings (as does my s/o). It is more expensive which made me consider the 'I' stone to balance the budget.

Some of my female friends believe such rings (diamond bands) detract from the brilliance of the stone itself so maybe this 3rd setting is a happy medium?

'Delicacy vintage' https://www.77diamonds.com/engagement-rings/vintage

I'd love your opinion

Brian

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Personally I would go for the plain solitaire.

1. It's more elegant (personal opinion - I - or rather my wife - have plenty of rings with pavé in all sorts of shapes sizes and places, but for an engagement ring I would prefer a solitaire)
2. There is no "match"/"mismatch" problem in terms of colour and cut quality
3. There are no quality and durability problems with the setting of the stones on the shank
4. It's cheaper and that leaves you some money to have a nice(r) wedding band, a good dinner somewhere or whatever else

Note that 2 and 3 above are "a problem" with many many of these "pre-manufactured" settings, but not all - however figuring out whether they are problematic takes in-person inspection rather than a CAD rendering (or at best a single sample photo - you can bet that the sample is finished with greater care than the average stock item).

Second I would go with the all-out pavé shank; the "middle-of-the-road" option I find unbalanced and not pretty. However this again is a matter of totally personal opinion.

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8 minutes ago, davidelevi said:

Personally I would go for the plain solitaire.

1. It's more elegant (personal opinion - I - or rather my wife - have plenty of rings with pavé in all sorts of shapes sizes and places, but for an engagement ring I would prefer a solitaire)
2. There is no "match"/"mismatch" problem in terms of colour and cut quality
3. There are no quality and durability problems with the setting of the stones on the shank
4. It's cheaper and that leaves you some money to have a nice(r) wedding band, a good dinner somewhere or whatever else

Note that 2 and 3 above are "a problem" with many many of these "pre-manufactured" settings, but not all - however figuring out whether they are problematic takes in-person inspection rather than a CAD rendering (or at best a single sample photo - you can bet that the sample is finished with greater care than the average stock item).

Second I would go with the all-out pavé shank; the "middle-of-the-road" option I find unbalanced and not pretty. However this again is a matter of totally personal opinion.

Thanks once again. 

My female work colleagues are of the same opinion as you (too much time spent looking at rings today in work and not enough work done). I guess I was worried 0.8 wouldn't be big enough to stand alone on a ring and would almost need a boost from the additional diamonds. I haven't seen a single ring in person so I'm not basing that on anything, just my own assumption. Your thoughts? 

My appointment with 77d is in two weeks so I will keep you in the loop! 🙂

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0.8 is plenty big enough for a 2 mm shank. The variable not under your control is the size of your lady's hands... my wife has relatively large hands and wears a size M/N, and a 6 mm stone is perfectly visible without being gaudy.

Here is a photo of a 0.9 (6.15 mm diameter) mounted on a thin shank (1.8 mm IIRC) on a very small hand (UK size I/J)

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If you want a "boost to size", I think you should look at halos more than at pavé shanks, and that brings its own kettle of problems: colour (mis-)matching is even more important, and the way in which the halo (doesn't) fits around the centre can make or break the aesthetics of the ring. Again not something easy to assess from a stock photo or a CAD rendering. And again not a design I would particularly recommend for an engagement ring to be worn 24/7.

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4 minutes ago, davidelevi said:

Don't know if this helps or confuses, but here's a photo of a 0.90 in a halo. The finger is M/N size, and the stone by itself would look quite a bit smaller than a white because of the very deep orange colour

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No I'm more than happy to go with your advice of the 'I' colour stone in a Solitaire setting. I think it will be fantastic. Any need to request more info on the stone itself or is what we've seen enough to go on? 

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9 minutes ago, Brian Daniels said:

Any need to request more info on the stone itself or is what we've seen enough to go on?

It depends on how finicky you want to get on cut... I don't even know if 77Diamonds can provide reflector images (the ASET and H&A images you asked about on another thread). I'd be pretty happy using only the report and the video; some people want the additional assurance that the cut is very highly symmetrical and matching certain proportions not just on average (which is what is on the report), but for each facet.

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4 minutes ago, davidelevi said:

It depends on how finicky you want to get on cut... I don't even know if 77Diamonds can provide reflector images (the ASET and H&A images you asked about on another thread). I'd be pretty happy using only the report and the video; some people want the additional assurance that the cut is very highly symmetrical and matching certain proportions not just on average (which is what is on the report), but for each facet.

There is a good chance I could over think this and its probably what I'm doing right now. More than happy with all advice you've given and my own thoughts too, although the stone I picked is one I found after a 15 min search on their website, without actually seeing any in person.aybe there are better ones out there but by all you've said up to now, it seems like it'll be a safe bet

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Bear in mind clauses 4.3.c and 4.3.d of their T&C: https://www.77diamonds.com/terms.html

If you are going there to see things in person, it's great, but it no longer counts as a remote sale, so you cannot return a diamond/ring even if you show it to your astrologer in the evening and she says it's got really bad karma. (Just kidding, but you get my gist). If you have any doubts, go there and see things (maybe with a friend so they have his details) - but order online!

On the other hand, maybe I'm overthinking it...

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