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'BLACK' by Brian Gavin OR White Flash 'A CUT ABOVE'

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Greetings,

I'm looking for a D-IF Round Diamond.

Which will be better 'BLACK' by Brian Gavin or the White Flash 'A CUT ABOVE'.

I want the best and I'm confused between these two brands.

People who have experienced both of these brands should give me a reply. If possible please share me a video or picture.

 

Thank you

 

 

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I suspect that your choice is going to be driven by other factors, namely the availability of D/IF stones by either brand and the individual characteristics of those stones (and possibly budget).

Both brands are among the best in terms of modern super-ideal cutting, and in my view there isn't much to choose between them "technically" and there may be even less in real life (where the diamond is generally observed in a setting on a moving hand in a changing light environment, and isn't spotlessly clean). FWIW, I am pretty sure that the same is true between the "Signature" and the "Black" series at Brian's - I am not in love with the marketing proposition for "Black" even if I respect and admire Brian's skills as a cutter.

[ETA: there are less than a dozen D/IF stones currently in stock between the two: 2 below 0.50 ct, 1 between 0.50 and 0.99, 5 between 1.00 and 1.49, 2 between 1.50 and 2.00 and 1 around 2.00 ct, and this includes one "BG Signature" stone]

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Thanks for the reply.

I'm planning for a custom cut from a diamond rough.

The price for the Black is found to be more than an 'A cut above'.

Does that extra bucks for black is a good idea!?

So according to what you said is that there is no difference between the BLACK and the A CUT ABOVE!?



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Given the choice, between WF and BG I would choose Brian, for a number of reasons (not all "technical"), even if he is slightly more expensive, and particularly if you are going to get the stone custom cut.

This said, I will repeat and try to clarify what I said above: I don't think you (or anyone else) is going to see a difference in real life. Not least because the differences between one diamond crystal and another will swamp any fine differences (if any) in cutting technique. At the end of the day, this isn't something like a car or an electronic product (or even a piece of metal jewellery) where the dominant effect is "the hand of man"; it's a very difficult to cut natural product and each stone is unique.

Independent of who you eventually choose, be aware that it may well be very difficult to guarantee you will end up with an "IF" or "FL" stone starting from rough, and you may end up with a VVS through no fault of the cutter. Make sure that your expectations in this respect are clear and that any conditions about costs for rough acquisition, cutting fees, return conditions etc. are discussed in advance and well documented.

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Thank you.

One more thing. I'm looking for a Diamond with the following conditions.

(1) 100% Natural
(2) 100% Unheated
(3) 100% Untreated
(4) 100% Not Enhanced
 
How can I understand and ensure these from an AGS Certificate?
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You are welcome.

AGS does not issue reports for synthetic or clarity enhanced stones. Any treatment that they can detect will be prominently disclosed, but given the people you are dealing with is extremely unlikely that they would use treated stones in the first place.


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Plenty of images on both websites, and they don't distribute their stones through other dealers... so I can't really help you beyond this, on this particular matter.


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If you are hoping you would see any difference in "real life" images, I think you are mistaken: in addition to the differences (if any) being minute and requiring professional equipment to detect, the average quality of "consumer" photos of jewellery is at best poor.

If you have doubts, since your budget seems to be very generous, why don't you "purchase" a stone from both vendors (there are two around 1.40 - 1.50 ct that would be a pretty good comparison, in my opinion), and return the one you like less without further comment, and engage with the vendor of the one you like most for your "true" stone? Both dealers allow generous return privileges.


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On 12/22/2018 at 2:05 AM, Faaiz said:

I'm planning for a custom cut from a diamond rough.

 

As an appraiser, I don't get into discussions of recommending one jeweler over another but I wasn't aware Whiteflash would do a custom cut from rough for you at all. In any case, it's also not going to be possible to shop your stone based on an AGS report given that you'll need to buy the piece of rough and commit to the cutting FIRST which, given your specs, is no simple task and will involve a significant price premium.  This is all before AGSL ever sees the stone. I'll be very surprised if anyone just happens to have a suitable stone sitting around waiting for a buyer but, I suppose, stranger things have happened.  Have you asked?

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On 12/22/2018 at 3:33 AM, Faaiz said:

Thank you.

One more thing. I'm looking for a Diamond with the following conditions.

(1) 100% Natural
(2) 100% Unheated
(3) 100% Untreated
(4) 100% Not Enhanced
 
How can I understand and ensure these from an AGS Certificate?
 

The fact that it has an AGS report at all means it's a 100% natural diamond. AGS doesn't issue reports on any treated or synthetic gem materials.

 

 


Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA

 

There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.

Professional Appraisals in Denver

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On 12/22/2018 at 10:05 AM, Faaiz said:

Greetings,

I'm looking for a D-IF Round Diamond.

Which will be better 'BLACK' by Brian Gavin or the White Flash 'A CUT ABOVE'.

I want the best and I'm confused between these two brands.

People who have experienced both of these brands should give me a reply. If possible please share me a video or picture.

 

Thank you

 

 

Asalaama Sir,

 

which did did you end up purchasing if I may ask?

 

 

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The OP has not been around since the end of last year; I doubt you'll get a response.

FWIW, the WhiteFlash stone that he linked in his last post has been sold, so that may well have been what he bought in the end.


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Shalom Mr David,

 

Aaaah.. yeah.. always interesting to see the choices people make.. how strange though.. the request for real pictures of the stone ? Perhaps a first time diamond buyer? They always the worst of skeptics.. luckily for diamonds.. pictures tend to under justify the beauty of the stone itself.. interestingly enough I was going to send him a real pic of the BG, lol, now I’m only missing the white flash princess cut.. 💎💙 !! 

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17 minutes ago, Irfaan Lapstar said:

Perhaps a first time diamond buyer

Chances are he was; the vast majority of posters here are first (and only) time buyers. The industry needs a different business model...


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Ehehehe.. that being stated.. one of the earliest business models i Learnt.. for example from your company is that when people ask I tell them I sell something very abstract like horse head diamonds.. peaks the curiosity of those that are interested else you gotta end up answering questions from first time couples about why did de beers scam the industry.. really disinterested in answering that question hahahaha.. !!  Interestingly enough I see you’ve avoided the lowly first time buyer route as well!??

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44 minutes ago, Irfaan Lapstar said:

I see you’ve avoided the lowly first time buyer

I don't think is so much that as managing to build a portfolio of products to interest customers in returning after that first time, rather than catering mostly for people for whom it's a one-off purchase.

Though perhaps I'm just deluding myself that there is a grand strategic design, and we ended up there by total chance! 😉


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