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Hello everyone, my knowledge on diamonds is very limited, thus I would be very grateful for any advice/opinion on purchasing the following stone: GIA report number - 629588849

Thank you!

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Advice:

0. Clarify - most importantly to yourself - what actually matters to you and what your priorities and constraints are.

1. No matter what diamond you are considering, choose the vendor first.

2. Don't buy a pear shape diamond for which you have virtually no information regarding shape details and cut

3. Don't buy an SI2 for which you have very little information regarding visibility and impact on transparency of the inclusions

4. Be cautious about thick girdles

Opinions:

None - there simply isn't enough information on a GIA report to have an opinion on that specific stone... which is why my advice above is phrased in a very very general way. 😉

Edited by davidelevi
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Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Hi, thank you for your reply. I've actually seen the diamond in person and it appears to be quite nice. However I was concerned about the clarity characteristics- "Twinning Wisp, Feather, Indented Natural". 
1. Are those anything to be concerned with? And does it affect the appearance of the diamond?

2. Also roughly how much is that diamond worth?

I thank you in advance for your reply.

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1. Cannot say without seeing the diamond. Generally twinning wisps are quite benign, but if there are many (as in this stone) they could result in an overall "softness"/fuzziness/loss of transparency. The feathers around the girdle and a small indented natural are of no consequence.

2. It depends on a couple of factors, one of which is the visual impact of the inclusions and the other one is the quality of the cut. On the report, we have virtually zero information on either.

https://www.diamondreview.com/diamonds?sortOrder=price&sortDesc=1&fShape=Pear&fCaratLo=1.00&fCaratHi=1.10&fColorLo=G&fColorHi=G&fClarityLo=SI2&fClarityHi=SI2&fCutLo=&fCutHi=poor&fDepthLo=50.0&fDepthHi=80.0&fTableLo=0.0&fTableHi=100.0&fSymLo=ideal&fSymHi=vgood&fPolLo=&fPolHi=poor&fCulLo=&fCulHi=vlarge&fFlrLo=none&fFlrHi=faint&fPriceLo=0&fPriceHi=1000000&adv=1

Here are some comparable stones - as you can see, there is nearly a factor of 2 between the top and the bottom...


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Thanks again for your prompt reply, and sorry to bother you with another question. But I would like to quickly explain my situation, as I've now managed to get all the information and certificate that I needed back from the jewellery shop.

What happened is I bought an engagement ring a few months back, though at the time I was quite clueless as to what I was buying, but thought to just trust the jeweller's knowledge. The ring was said to have been the following diamond: Pear 8.49x5.82x3.80mm, 1.10 Carat, I, SI2, with very good polish, very good symmetry and faint blue fluorescence, with a WGI certificate which I was told was as good as a GIA.

But after taking the ring home something just didn't look right with the diamond and I could definitely see a very noticeable "line/crack" inside it. I therefore took it back and asked for a GIA report, which took almost 2 months and not surprisingly when it did arrive it was quite different to the WGI one; please see the attached picture.

However the jeweller has been extremely apologetic and offered to the rectify the situation now with this new diamond (the G colour 1.07ct which I originally asked about above).

1. I was therefore wondering whether you think I should accept this proposed change or whether I should ask for something better?

2. He claims this new diamond is worth a lot more than what I was originally promised (Pear 1.10ct described above), is that true?

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We don't know what you paid originally but Davide provided you with a tailored search link (above) which should allow you to evaluate the current cost of the replacement diamond.  Only you can decide if it adequately compensates for your original purchase.  This stone is clearly a better stone that the original one with a WGI grading report (never heard of them btw).  The bigger question is whether you still trust this jeweler?  He misrepresented the stone to you and got caught doing it.  Personally, I would get my money back and go elsewhere.  You now know where to get constructive advice and can use the DiamondFinder tool to compare prices.  These prices are from aggressively price internet dealers and you can expect brick and mortar stores to charge a little more, but you have a good idea of the base.


Laurent George
Diamond Ideals
New York City

www.diamondideals.com
212-207-4845
laurent@diamondideals.com

 

 

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The jeweler should give you a refund, in full and in cash, for the original purchase. That should include the GIA fee and any shipping by the way. This is completely independent of whether you want to buy a new diamond from him.  He lied about the WGI thing, you caught him red-handed and the deal should be completely undone without obligation to you. 

OK, that said, WGI missed on some borderline calls. SI2/I1. Good/Fair.  I wouldn't absolutely give up on the jeweler although I would on WGI. They're being nice about it and I would consider sticking with them as long as they don't try too hard to lock you in for THEIR mistake. The new deal needs to stand or fall on it's own merits. You still haven't told us what he's charging you for this but Davide above gave you 68 comps from price-aggressive sellers.  Don't you just love the Internet? In-person sales are worth more because you can actually look at the stone(s) so they really are offering more than a box in the mail. How much more that's worth is an issue for you to decide. 

I"m guessing from your correct spelling of 'jewellery' that you aren't in the US.  Most of those sellers are. Depending on where you're located, you may need to factor in import taxes and more expensive shipping to make sure you're comparing on a level field.  I too have never heard of WGI, which means exactly bupkis, and this may also have to do with your address. GIA isn't as omnipresent everywhere as they are in the US.  Is WGI local?

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5 hours ago, Martin12 said:

Thanks again for your prompt reply, and sorry to bother you with another question. But I would like to quickly explain my situation, as I've now managed to get all the information and certificate that I needed back from the jewellery shop.

What happened is I bought an engagement ring a few months back, though at the time I was quite clueless as to what I was buying, but thought to just trust the jeweller's knowledge. The ring was said to have been the following diamond: Pear 8.49x5.82x3.80mm, 1.10 Carat, I, SI2, with very good polish, very good symmetry and faint blue fluorescence, with a WGI certificate which I was told was as good as a GIA.

But after taking the ring home something just didn't look right with the diamond and I could definitely see a very noticeable "line/crack" inside it. I therefore took it back and asked for a GIA report, which took almost 2 months and not surprisingly when it did arrive it was quite different to the WGI one; please see the attached picture.

However the jeweller has been extremely apologetic and offered to the rectify the situation now with this new diamond (the G colour 1.07ct which I originally asked about above).

1. I was therefore wondering whether you think I should accept this proposed change or whether I should ask for something better?

2. He claims this new diamond is worth a lot more than what I was originally promised (Pear 1.10ct described above), is that true?

No bother at all - the forum is here to help. My 2 cents in answer to your questions:

1. If you like the new stone, I think you are being treated fairly on the exchange (even though the attempt of passing off a WGI report as "the same as GIA" was not particularly fair or honest; this said, they were within 1 grade on the clarity, even though it's a big one).

2. A 1 carat G/SI2 is definitely "worth more" than a 1 carat I/I1. Whether what you paid is a fair price is a completely different question.

ETA: cross posted with Laurent and Neil. It seems they are significantly harsher than I have been on the jeweller, but in the end I do agree with them: if you want your money back, you should get it. On the other hand, I would still see the proposed new stone as a fairly positive move and as an honest offer to remedy things; whether you want to do so is up to you.

Edited by davidelevi

Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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