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Hello all,

New to this forum and I learned so much helpful info here!

Could I please have your input on this stone? Is it a good buy? This fits right in my budget.

https://www.fourmine.com/shop/diamond/180196-89?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2017

1. This stone has strong blue fluorescence, I don't mind it, but I'm just worried about haziness and milky/oily appearance. Would I be able to inspect that with my naked eye under direct sunlight? (Do I need a microscope?)

2. I have a connection at a local jewelry store, and he has been given me EGL USA diamonds to choose from. I understand it's a different grading system (looser), should I ask for GIA diamonds only?

Thank you!

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I personally like the high crown and small(ish) table, but not everybody shares the same view. Whether it's a "good buy" depends on a lot of factors, not least of which are your personal preferences.

To your other specific questions:

1. If it is one of the rare stones that turns hazy or oily in a UV-rich environment you definitely do not need a microscope to tell. The fact that the price is at the bottom of the range for similar stones makes me think it may well be the case. Have you asked the vendor?

2. The report does not change the stone. There are "good" EGL-USA diamonds and there are "bad" ones, just like there are good and bad GIA stones. The problem is that where with a GIA report you know where you stand in terms of colour and clarity (and to some extent cut), with an EGL report you have much more uncertainty, and therefore you are much more reliant on the seller to describe and price the stone fairly.

Now, bear in mind that the choice of EGL rather than GIA (or anyone else) is not a random, casual choice made by fate at the beginning of time and there forever. It's a very deliberate choice made by a vendor (not necessarily the retailer) who thinks that a given stone with an EGL report can be sold faster and/or for more money than the same stone with a report from another lab.

Put the two together, and ask yourself to which extent you can rely on the seller...

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There's nothing on the report that will answer about the hazy effect of certain strong blues. That comes from looking at it in direct sunlight and I would ask the seller exactly that question.  SOMEONE should be able to walk it out into the sunlight and take a look.  That, of course, means you have to believe what they tell you, which is something of a risk, but bear in mind that what you're risking is usually no more than the return shipping and some wasted time. When it arrives, take it outside yourself, no matter what you've done beforehand and no matter who you buy it from. If it's a problem, back it goes.

I would stick to GIA. At this price point, there's no value in playing games with the lab. You're too far downstream. Think of it this way. GIA is worth more and sells faster than the same grade from EGL-USA.  Every dealer and even most consumers know this.  The GIA lab fee on a 2.88 is $169. That makes for some easy math.  A 'correct' EGL with no other problems will quickly become a GIA and that EGL document will be lost to the shredder forthwith.

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Thank you both so much for your replies! I'll go with GIA certified diamonds.

1. May I ask what do you think about the cut? Still waiting on response from a vendor. (I found a couple of vendors are selling the same exact GIA# stone, for different prices. Highest is $26k.)

2. I'm looking for: a Round, 2.8 - 2.95 ct, Excellent cut, GIA certified diamond. I'm also considering diamonds in the J color and SI1 clarity category. Will this be a good area to look? I plan to set it with a halo setting. Would like to hear your thoughts! 

Thank again!

 

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My comments on the cut are above: I like it (on paper) but there is a significant impact of personal preference in these things. Also, there is no information available on cut beyond the GIA report - that's very likely enough to determine it's not bad, but it doesn't go beyond that (I cannot get the "video" tab to work, and I don't even know whether the single photo is of the diamond or of a sample stone).

On a fairly large stone J and SI1 may be relatively risky if you want a stone that looks white to a casual observer and that has no eye-visible inclusions. However there is definitely a market for them; once again, it depends on what's important to you (and to her).


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
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On 9/18/2018 at 11:43 PM, davidelevi said:

My comments on the cut are above: I like it (on paper) but there is a significant impact of personal preference in these things. Also, there is no information available on cut beyond the GIA report - that's very likely enough to determine it's not bad, but it doesn't go beyond that (I cannot get the "video" tab to work, and I don't even know whether the single photo is of the diamond or of a sample stone).

On a fairly large stone J and SI1 may be relatively risky if you want a stone that looks white to a casual observer and that has no eye-visible inclusions. However there is definitely a market for them; once again, it depends on what's important to you (and to her).

Thanks so much for your reply! This link has a better video available for the same GIA# stone.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.88-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-5580984

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