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Advice needed, 2 diamond on hold for 24HRS

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Hey experts, I am looking to but an engagement and needed some opinions.    I was leaning towards 2.0+ carat diamonds, emerald cut, VS2-VVS1 clarity, I-G color, GIA certified.  I totally understand one gets what they pay for but there is such a huge difference in price.    I understand the cut, steps, contrast, florescence, etc all have to be considered together when pricing a diamond which I was hoping you could help me out with.  These two diamonds are the ones I have on hold for 24 hrs.  Do yall think they are a fair deal or keep shopping?  Between the two is one superior $12,700 and $14100 respective?  Thank you in advance!

 

 

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They look quite different - both nice, but my vote goes to the 2.05: I like elongated stones with strongly canted corners, it faces up bigger, and the 2.01 seems slightly less transparent (though this could be the video taken in slightly different conditions: chances are these two stones are not in the same place).

There is nothing wrong with the 2.01, though, and if it appeals personally to you more than the other one, then it's the right one for you.

Prices are at the top of the market, but these are visibly nice; not all vendors provide good video, and JA seems to be claiming premium prices for doing so. If the 2.01 is cheaper, one of the reasons is the medium blue fluorescence; it will normally ding the price by ~5-10%. If it's more expensive, I would think the 2.05 is a better price too, then!


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Thank you so much for your input and quick reply, this buying process is very stressful!  It seems there is much conflicting information out between local jewelers, especially information that suits their best interest.   I am glad you brought up the florescence, one jeweler said their diamond would be be much better due to these having mild and faint florescence which he claimed would make theses look cloudy.  Any GIA report I read regarding an I color mild or faint Florence claimed it reakky wouldn't make much of a difference.  My idea as well instead of every jeweler just saying theirs would be better,  is purchase one of these two and use the 30 day return policy to make comparisons with the local guys. In the end, I really like the idea of supporting local business and if they can find something better bang for buck but keeping size and quality I would be open to purchasing from them.  I am hoping having a diamond in hand would help for comparison and negotiation.  If not one locally can compete with one of these and these are the "best deal" then it is what it is and I will go ahead and mount it.  

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Regarding the statement at the "top of the market" this is regarding price correct, ie maybe a tad over priced?  If so in your opinion  the 2.05 might be hundreds or thousands off?  Sorry for the silly questions, that's why I wanted to talk to the unbiased experts.

 

 

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Interestingly my vote goes to the 2.01.  I personally prefer the slightly shorter emerald cuts that are below the 1.5:1 ratio.  The medium and faint fluo will not hurt either stone here and may slightly improve their appearance in certain lighting conditions.  I say this even though we don't all agree on this and I have agreed to disagree  with my colleagues in the past.  I also refer the table and depth proportions on the 2.01.  The 2.05 table is a little too large for my liking, but when it comes to these difference, it all becomes very personal.  Both stones are quite nice.  To get good price comparisons, check out the the DiamondFinder link above and you can compare similar stones for yourself.

https://www.diamondreview.com/diamonds?sortOrder=carat&sortDesc=0&fShape=Emrl&fCaratLo=2.01&fCaratHi=2.10&fColorLo=I&fColorHi=I&fClarityLo=VVS1&fClarityHi=VVS2&fCutLo=&fCutHi=poor&fDepthLo=50.0&fDepthHi=80.0&fTableLo=40.0&fTableHi=80.0&fSymLo=&fSymHi=poor&fPolLo=&fPolHi=poor&fCulLo=&fCulHi=vlarge&fFlrLo=faint&fFlrHi=med&fPriceLo=0&fPriceHi=1000000&fLabGIA=1&adv=1

 


Laurent George
Diamond Ideals
New York City

www.diamondideals.com
212-207-4845
laurent@diamondideals.com

 

 

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If you can afford the cash flow/credit impact, the plan of getting a stone and compare it to others is excellent. Just call JA first, to make sure they understand AND to check their timelines on refunds: I know I wouldn't want to run a $12k+ balance on my credit card beyond the payment due date if you end up choosing something else. 😅

Another note regarding comparison to "local" stones: if you plan on doing this live, i.e. taking the JA diamond into the local jeweller's store, do make sure that you tell them beforehand. Not only may some object to your doing that, but all would have a legitimate security concern about stone switching. It can be done, but check first!

On fluorescence, I'm very much in agreement with Laurent: it won't do much to the appearance, and what it will do if anything is to improve it. My comment above was purely directed to price, and to say that if the 2.01 is more expensive than the 2.05 then the 2.05 is "better value" in commercial terms - even if faint to medium fluorescence has no negative impact on looks, it still hits price.

On price: Laurent has provided you with the link to some other stones; these two are priced at the top of that market (all pure-play internet retailers like JA; high street jewellers will tend to be more expensive), and if the 2.05 is the higher price one, I would say it is some hundreds "over" the cheapest you may find; on the other hand it does face up bigger than most 2 carat stones.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Thank yall so much for the help so far.  The experts here on this forum really are a great help, you have no idea.  Yes of course I would want to contact a store before because I would not want anyone to feel uncomfortable or do anything to offend a jeweler by bringing a foreign product in their store.  And in the end if the opinion is both are nice diamonds and I cant really go wrong with either so be it.  And regarding a couple hundred dollar saving price shopping I am not terribly worried about that, JA's staff had been very helpful with questions and that's obviously worth a certain $ amount. Now if it was thousand cheaper I obviously would have to do whats best for me, wedding i am sure will be pricey for me to ensure no one goes hungry or thirsty :)

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Another tool we use with our customers who cannot come into our store is simply to send them a video of the stones they are considering side by side.  This would allow you to compare the way both stones appear next to each other.  We do this in a live setting; on a hand with real lighting.  I don't think the stark white "x-ray" videos offered by some websites are very helpful in that regard.  You should ask JA if they can provide such a video.  It's a cheaper solution than purchasing both to return one.


Laurent George
Diamond Ideals
New York City

www.diamondideals.com
212-207-4845
laurent@diamondideals.com

 

 

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I did get an ASET image done on both of these if that is the same as a stark white video.  I am not sure how much validity there is in the ASET, apparently no local jewelers knew anything about it.  The ASET of the 2.1 is superior for sure.  In the end if non jewelers ie friends and family honestly cant tell a difference in brilliance between the two in the real world, one is larger which would be my decision maker.  And i totally get brilliance is something that is really best determined in person, that real appreciation  can't be obtained by videos because there are so many factors that do into these things more then just specs on a certificate. 

 

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The problem of the side by side comparison is one is in India and the other New York.  And i did inquire about holding the diamonds longer but it would have to be put on the website first for 24 hrs before another hold unfortunately.  And I am sure it would be pointless debating a silly holding policy, I am sure the employees are just doing what they have been instructed.

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This is the drawback to virtual inventories when the stones are held in distant parts.  It can be much easier to work with a jeweler who has physical access to the diamonds they are selling.  They can actually look at the stone themselves and give you a more realistic assessment of what the stone(s) looks like.

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Laurent George
Diamond Ideals
New York City

www.diamondideals.com
212-207-4845
laurent@diamondideals.com

 

 

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25 minutes ago, chris2020 said:

I did get an ASET image done on both of these if that is the same as a stark white video.  I am not sure how much validity there is in the ASET, apparently no local jewelers knew anything about it.  The ASET of the 2.1 is superior for sure.  In the end if non jewelers ie friends and family honestly cant tell a difference in brilliance between the two in the real world, one is larger which would be my decision maker.  And i totally get brilliance is something that is really best determined in person, that real appreciation  can't be obtained by videos because there are so many factors that do into these things more then just specs on a certificate. 

No, the "stark white" videos are those on the JA website.

Be careful with ASETs - they are far less standardised in taking conditions than it may seem, and easy to "game" by moving the stone in or out from the viewer a little... Also, I personally don't find them all that useful in fancy shapes, especially relatively asymmetrical ones like em-cuts. If you can post the images we may be able to provide some feedback (or not...).


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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The videos should be able to be viewed in the initial post.  Attached are those ASET images

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So bottom ASET is the 2.1carat

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Not much to choose on the basis of those... both look equally good. However both seem to be slightly tilted (it's tough to keep a stone flat within 0.05 mm!).

In other words: go where the heart leads you.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Well gang yall are awesome, I really appreciate the advice.  Realistically I will end up choosing the larger one if they are pretty similar. Thanks You!

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