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2 minutes ago, davidelevi said:

Yep, I understand the dilemma on the surprise... on the other hand, you can find out about what she values (colour, clarity, size, appearance) without disclosing much: ask her about what her family values? You were suprised when you learned that a friend got a small D/IF diamond, but she valued "paper perfection" more than size. Does she share those ideas? 

It's very likely to look good; does it look stunning? Only more information - starting as a minimum from reflector images - can give us some indication, and your/her personal preferences play a big role in deciding.

Thanks. They open in two hours, so I am going to be requesting an ASET, idealscope or H&A image so hopefully they'll have one of those so I can get a better idea of the diamond

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(I will be driving for a couple of hours in about 1 hour, but I will comment once I get home, should you be lucky and get hold of info sooner - my silence means nothing other than "cannot read or write at the moment")


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I, quite specifically, ducked the resale question.  For starters, it’s largely irrelevant. Few people are buying diamonds as financial instruments and those who do are fools.

 

But since it's come up 3 times now, I’ll address it.

 

It’s true that fluorescent diamonds resell for less than otherwise similar non-fluorescent ones, especially in high colors. Then again, they cost less too.  In a famous list used in the industry as ‘wholesale’, this stone prices out at $15,500. Generic GIA-xxx no-Flo’s typically sell at the discount vendors for something like $16k and resell to the sharks on the street for about half of that.  That is to say, buy a stone for $15,500 and sell to the sharks with the spinney signs for $8,000.00.   That’s a heck of a haircut, and it’s the reason I don’t call diamonds an investment, but what about this one?  It costs $11000.  Half would make it $5,500.  That wouldn’t be all that hard.  Buyers will slam it, because that’s what buyers do, but in the end it’ll still sell. No, you probably won't get $8k, but you didn't pay $16k either. 
 

Then there's the fashion component. Fluorescence used to be a feature. Now it's not. 'Blue white' commanded a premium. It's not that the stones are more or less beautiful than they ever were, it's that they aren't popular. For dealers that's important, and it does affect the price, but it's not a gemological property. What will be popular 20 years from now? Who the heck knows.  It's changed considerably in the LAST 20 years after all. 

 

In short, don't sweat it. Nothing is being misrepresented here.  This isn't the center of the cut bullseye, and you knew that, but did you know that the bullseye didn't even exist before 2006?  D-medium gets slammed online at the moment and trades at a discount because of it. Yes, it does.  So?  Is that a feature or a problem?

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Don't bet on them having reflector images. They might, but this is distinctly unusual outside of a rather small circle of dealers who sort of specialize in this. It's not a trivial thing to do. Again, I don't know these people from Adam, but they don't seem to be using this on their site.  

 

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18 minutes ago, denverappraiser said:

I, quite specifically, ducked the resale question.  For starters, it’s largely irrelevant. Few people are buying diamonds as financial instruments and those who do are fools.

 

But since it's come up 3 times now, I’ll address it.

 

It’s true that fluorescent diamonds resell for less than otherwise similar non-fluorescent ones, especially in high colors. Then again, they cost less too.  In a famous list used in the industry as ‘wholesale’, this stone prices out at $15,500. Generic GIA-xxx no-Flo’s typically sell at the discount vendors for something like $16k. if resell to the sharks on the street for about half or a little more than that.  That is to say, buy a stone for $15,500 and sell to the sharks with the spinney signs for $8,000.00.   That’s a heck of a haircut, and it’s the reason I don’t call diamonds an investment, but what about this one?  It costs $11000.  Half would make it $5,500.  That wouldn’t be all that hard.  Buyers will slam it, because that’s what buyers do, but in the end it’ll still sell.
 

Then there's the fashion component. Fluorescence used to be a feature. Now it's not. 'Blue white' commanded a premium. It's not that the stones are more or less beautiful than they ever were, it's that they aren't popular. For dealers that's important, and it does affect the price, but it's not a gemological property. What will be popular 20 years from now? Who the heck knows.  It's changed considerably in the LAST 20 years after all. 

 

In short, don't sweat it. Nothing is being misrepresented here.  This isn't the center of the cut bullseye, and you knew that, but did you know that the bullseye didn't even exist before 2006?  D-medium gets slammed online at the moment and trades at a discount because of it. Yes, it does.  So?  Is that a feature or a problem?

Thank you for the feedback. I did read that fluoro used to be a feature that people looked for in a diamond. These days not so much.

I definitely don't mind the medium fluoro as long as there is no haziness or milkiness. The depth was what was bothering me and after @davidelevi clarified it, I feel a bit better. I know my budget isn't the biggest but to many diamond novices, I think a 1.4 D VS1 would be more than great. Obviously this doesn't take in to fact of fluoro and cut.

I guess what I'm saying is that the cut doesn't have to be super ideal as I'm giving up those attributes so I can go up in Color, Carat and Clarity.

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Your cut is fine. Really. It's a GIA-xxx for heaven's sake.  Don't loop over the depth%.  FWIW, I personally wear a strong-blue.  I mention all of that for the benefit of other readers because it came up several times. Don't loop on that either.  

A correctly graded medium blue, or even strong blue, will not exhibit the hazy effect known as overblue. That's a small percentage of very strong blues. 

 

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2 minutes ago, denverappraiser said:

Your cut is fine. Really. It's a GIA-xxx for heaven's sake.  Don't loop over the depth%.  FWIW, I personally wear a strong-blue.  I mention all of that for the benefit of other readers because it came up several times. Don't loop on that either.  

A correctly graded medium blue, or even strong blue, will not exhibit the hazy effect known as overblue. That's a small percentage of very strong blues. 

 

Thanks. Now I just hope the vendor can provide some kind of ASET Idealscope images so I can go ahead and purchase this diamond.

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20 hours ago, denverappraiser said:

Your cut is fine. Really. It's a GIA-xxx for heaven's sake.  Don't loop over the depth%.  FWIW, I personally wear a strong-blue.  I mention all of that for the benefit of other readers because it came up several times. Don't loop on that either.  

A correctly graded medium blue, or even strong blue, will not exhibit the hazy effect known as overblue. That's a small percentage of very strong blues. 

 

So the vendor got back to me and they do not have any additional reflector images. Just by looking at the cut, do you guys think the brilliance and fire would be okay for this particular one? I don't want to go and order a dull looking diamond. Thanks

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3 minutes ago, Fishy15 said:

So the vendor got back to me and they do not have any additional reflector images. Just by looking at the cut, do you guys think the brilliance and fire would be okay for this particular one? I don't want to go and order a dull looking diamond. Thanks

I haven't seen a Giant graded excellent cut diamond that was 'dull' because of it's cut. Yes, may be because of inclusion but not proportions. Also, can't say what you mean by dull exactly, but yeah there's that. 


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6 minutes ago, Furqan Shafi said:

I haven't seen a Giant graded excellent cut diamond that was 'dull' because of it's cut. Yes, may be because of inclusion but not proportions. Also, can't say what you mean by dull exactly, but yeah there's that. 

I'm sorry dull might be the wrong word. I guess what I'm asking is if this particular diamond would have a drastic difference in shine compared to lets say a vendor like Whiteflash that offers their signature "super ideal cuts". Is there a huge difference between a GIA rated excellent cut as opposed to a "super ideal cut" from these vendors like Whiteflash, Brian Gavin etc?

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5 minutes ago, Fishy15 said:

I'm sorry dull might be the wrong word. I guess what I'm asking is if this particular diamond would have a drastic difference in shine compared to lets say a vendor like Whiteflash that offers their signature "super ideal cuts". Is there a huge difference between a GIA rated excellent cut as opposed to a "super ideal cut" from these vendors like Whiteflash, Brian Gavin etc?

Nope. No drastic difference. 


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Okay thank you. Put a order for this diamond. Will let you guys know when it arrives. Thank you for all the help guys

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It’s not a done deal until you’re happy. Until you’ve seen it. Until you’ve shown it to your friends, your mother, your appraiser, maybe even your bride. ALL you are risking is a bit of time and some shipping.  Don’t overthink this. Get some sleep, you'll be fine.

 

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I thought you said they couldn't do it.

It's leaky around the edge of the table, probably from the shallow pavilion. Nice symmetry. It's tilted in the photograph. 


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Just now, denverappraiser said:

I thought you said they couldn't do it.

It's leaky around the edge of the table, probably from the shallow pavilion. Nice symmetry. It's tilted in the photograph. 

Thought so too but they sent one after I purchased it. Very weird. 

 

Is light leakage around the edge really bad?

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Again, don't overthink this.  You've committed to the shipping, but that's all. When it arrives, look at it. Show it around. Compare it to others. You've got 30 days. Use them. (but mark that date on your calendar, just in case)

 


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Just now, denverappraiser said:

Again, don't overthink this.  You've committed to the shipping, but that's all. When it arrives, look at it. Show it around. Compare it to others. You've got 30 days. Use them. (but mark that date on your calendar, just in case)

 

Thanks again! As long as there isn’t any bad red flags

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Couldn't add much to the conversation/advice above, but could repeat. Especially the last (and middle) part about not overthinking.

See the thing and decide if you can see anything like the ASET... which is after all magnified ~20x. Compare if you can, but if you do so by taking the diamond into a jewellery, do let the jeweller know beforehand. 1) They may not like the idea and 2) they may have quite legitimate security concerns; after all the things aren't exactly cheap...

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