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Hi there,

New to this forum so please be kind.

i need some advice on  diamond please. I’m thinking of purchasing a 0.760 ct. H colour and vs2 oval diamond. My concern is the measurements and finish. Here they are:

Table: 59.0O Depth: 63.70. Girdle: thick to extremely thick (this concerns me)

Polish: Very good and Symetry: fair (this also concerns me).

Is this diamond worth buying?

Cheers,

Faye

 

 

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Hi Faye,  You haven't given enough information.  Thick - ex thick girdle is not, of itself a deal killer.  Fair symmetry may be, depending on what caused it. 

What we're missing is:
Grading lab name and report number
Location
Price
Photo if you have one.

Have you seen it in person?

 

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Neil Beaty

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Hi there,

thanks so much for replying. Here are a few more details.

It has a GIA cerificate

Not sure what caused the symetry to be fair but I like this diamond because the bow tie effect is very minimal.

Not sure of price of just diamond but it will be set in a 14ct white gold halo  for about $5,00 AUD in total

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If you like it and you have seen it in person, it's a very good start. Have you been able to compare it "live" to other similar diamonds, and did it come out on top? Or did the vendor only show you this one?

Also - if you can get hold of the GIA report number, it would help; not least to make sure it is a GIA report. It's not infrequent for vendors to say they have a "GIA report" which has been issued by someone who attended a GIA course... often not even specific to diamond grading. As you can guess, it's not quite the same thing.

The price sounds acceptable even for the US market (allowing for 10% GST/HST and an exchange rate  of 0.74), though a lot of the "acceptable" depends on what the diamond is really like and on what the setting is really like.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Yes I saw a few! Even round AAA diamonds. I have the GIA report details so it’s legitimate.

I like this diamond purely because it’s bow tie effect is almost not noticeable.

Maybe this is why the symmetry is fair.

Thank you once again for your advice.

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Symmetry and bow tie are unlikely to be related; you may get an asymmetric bow tie...

In any case, if you like it, it's the best thing that can happen. Enjoy it, and congratulations!


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Usually, fair symmetry is going to come from something you can see, like the shape of the two ends don't match or the table isn't in the center.  It won't have anything to do with the bowtie. I agree with Davide that you seem to be pretty fond of this one, and that's the whole point. The price is reasonable for what it is.  Go for it.

 


Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA

 

There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.

Professional Appraisals in Denver

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Thanks Denver.

Ah that makes sense. I couldn’t see any unevenness but for a trained eye maybe they would.

If it is this, could it have an impact on sparkle or obvious symetry issues once mounted in ring?Or if it has a thick to extra thick girdle could this be an issue for fire and brilliance? That’s really my only concern.

Silly, I looked at a few E colours and excellent symmetry but for some reason I liked this one. One was close but it had an Auscert certificate and I preferred GIA.Measurements of diamond is 7.14 x 4.93x 3.14. Is this ok?

Sorry for all these questions but it’s stressing me out if I have made the right choice.

Cheers

Faye

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The best way of assessing fire and brilliance of a diamond is to see it; the only way of assessing whether a diamond is beautiful is to see it. Theoretical considerations amount to little against personal observation, and you have the advantage there.

A low symmetry grade may have an impact on the symmetry of the reflected/refracted light patterns; in turn, this may affect how the light returning from diamond is perceived (i.e. some of the reflected light that in a symmetrical stone hits the observer's eye, does not - but then some that wouldn't, might). How this comes out in the wash depends on how the individual stone has been cut and on whether the observer is wanting/expecting/desiring a totally symmetrical pattern or not. You have seen the pattern and liked it even against a shape that is inherently more symmetrical such as a round, so no worries there.

A thick girdle will not by itself do anything for or against "fire and brilliance"; what it will do is to impact the visible size of the stone,  which is apparent in the measurements: most diamonds of comparable weight listed in the finder https://diamondreview.com/diamonds?sortOrder=price&sortDesc=1&fShape=Oval&fCaratLo=0.75&fCaratHi=0.80&fColorLo=H&fColorHi=H&fClarityLo=VS2&fClarityHi=VS2&fCutLo=&fCutHi=poor&fDepthLo=0.0&fDepthHi=100.0&fTableLo=0.0&fTableHi=100.0&fSymLo=&fSymHi=poor&fPolLo=&fPolHi=poor&fCulLo=&fCulHi=vlarge&fFlrLo=&fFlrHi=vstrong&fPriceLo=0&fPriceHi=1000000&adv=1 are well above 5 mm in width. In practice, 0.2 mm is at the limit of what is easily observable and memorable for the human eye/brain system. In other words, unless you are left with a feeling of "I'd really like this one, if only it were a little larger", then ignore the girdle and enjoy the diamond.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Thank you both for your replies. Your advice has been more than helpful and has put me at ease.

I liked the diamond so that’s all that matters right?

I am going to ignore what’s on paper and enjoy. 

A couple of years ago my diamond from my engagement ring fell out (15 yrs)while watching my son play soccer. There was no way I was going to find the diamond. I was shattered.

This is my replacement ring and I will be sure to check setting and claws often.

Cheers,

Faye

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You are most welcome, and definitely enjoy! Sorry to hear about the engagement stone loss, but all is well that ends well.

9 hours ago, Faye said:

I liked the diamond so that’s all that matters right?

I am going to ignore what’s on paper and enjoy. 

Absolutely!

However, note for future readers: no one here is advocating spending hard earned cash on a diamond "just because you like it". Do your homework first (as Faye did), and check that the price is fair; then consider whether you like it.

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Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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