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Hi All,

I'm completely new to this forum but find myself in a bit of a challenging spot. Thank you in advance for your help and advice.

I have found a loose diamond that I would like to mount as an engagement ring. However, it is uncertified and comes with a "Vashi" certification. I need to have this GIA certified as I don't want to "waste" money on a diamond that isn't really at the correct specifications I can trust.

Could you help with any suggestions as to whom I can work with to have it GIA certified? Whether it is an independent jeweller or consolidator lab in the UK. There are several topics on Diamond Review that are either outdated or do not provide a conclusive decision on how best to get a stone certified hence my post.

Thanks again!

 

 

 

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Hello, and welcome to Diamond Review!

I don't think anything has changed since those two threads you linked - GIA will only (as far as I know) deal with its own consolidators outside the US or other countries where it has labs, and this throws up all sorts of obstacles starting from consolidators' excessive fees and going on to Brinks and Malca-Amit being a pain in the neck to deal with.

I would suggest calling Gem-A (21 Ely Pl, London EC1N 6TD, Phone: +44 20 7404 3334) and seeing if they can help - I think they no longer act as GIA consolidators, but may still be able to help.

Depending on what you actually want the report for (i.e. is it "peace of mind" or is it specifically GIA grading because of e.g. an intended resale in the future?), you may also want to look at Birmingham's Assay Office reports (AnchorCert) and at HRD in Antwerp - at least the logistics are much easier and if you are looking mostly for colour and clarity grading these are fairly reliable labs.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
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Thank you @daviddelevi for your quick response!

I just tried calling Gem-A. Unfortunately they no longer to GIA certification. They put me contact with another workshop but it only does their own independent certification (i.e. not GIA).

Called AnchorCert and they only do their  in-house certification.

I've just got an email from GIA and the nearest Lab take-in is in Antwerp (below details).

It is purely for peace of mind.... I hope I won't need to resell the engagement ring in the future (fingers crossed!)

GIA LabDirect Consolidator Antwerp 50

Boaz Lev
Gem Lab Services bvba
Hoveniersstraat 50

Antwerp, B-2018 
Belgium

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Well... if it is purely for "peace of mind" purposes, what is it about the diamond that you would like to be reassured about? 

I was proposing AnchorCert or HRD as alternatives to/substitutes for GIA, not as organisations that would help you get the diamond to GIA.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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I would like to be reassured by the colour and clarity of the diamond. I have done a lot of hands-on research so know if it is VVS1 vs. SI1 but I wouldn't be able to tell VS2 to SI1 for example. Same for colour, I can tell between D and H but not G and H. If that makes sense... 

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Makes perfect sense. GIA have the brand name and recognition, and they do a very consistent job at grading, but it doesn't mean other labs are "wrong", especially for your purposes. If your questions are only about colour and clarity I would think that getting an HRD report or an AnchorCert one may be as reassuring and a lot less hassle (and money!) from a UK base.

Out of curiosity: what/who did Gem-A recommend? They are a reputable organisation and I would consider their recommendation carefully too.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Hey mate - welcome to the forum.

Seems like a bit of hard work that you shouldn't really have to do yourself...

Is there something special about this diamond? Do you have to purchase this particular diamond for some reason (or have you purchased it already)?

What are the specs of the diamond?

I'd recommend asking why it isn't certified? And if you really want it done (and they really want to make the sale), it wouldn't be too hard/expensive for them to organise a GIA report to be completed.


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GIA is a chore, especially from overseas.  It’s easy enough, although a little expensive to get it to them and get it graded, but it’s far from easy, and far from inexpensive, to get it back.  That’s going to involve a third party.  Malca-Amit is a popular choice, who has offices in UK.  Be careful not to run afowl of the import taxes that will be owed to her majesty if you screw up the paperwork. 

I second the comments above questioning why do this at all.  There ARE graders in the UK.  There are independent valuers in the UK that can answer your questions for far less money and less grief than dealing with international shipping. GIA offers a useful service but they're not the only useful service out there. 

 

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Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA

 

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Hello. Thank you for all the messages! I appreciate it greatly :)

Gem-A suggested AnchorCert. However I have never heard of them.... apologies for my ignorance.

I have put the diamond on hold/desposit. It is from a reputable company called Vashi locatdd

in Mayfair/Piccadilly. The diamond is perfect to be the centrepiece of a stunning engagement ring at close to 6 carats, G SI1 with no Fluorescence and ideal cut. I’ve seen A LOT of diamonds in my search so may trust the shop + my judgment on this occasion and double/check with an independent retailer to validate.

Thank you all for your responses 

 

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At that size (and presumably price!) I really would have no problem whatsoever in asking the jeweller to send the stone to GIA or the deal is off.  And that is included in the price you quoted me previously, Mr Vashi.

Do bear in mind that no matter what they do with GIA, their assessment of cut is their own - there is no clearly established, widespread cut grading system/standard for non-rounds.

ETA: whatever you do, I would NOT send the stone to another retailer - unless you know and trust someone personally. The possibility of a conflict of interest is too high to risk.

Edited by davidelevi

Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
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Yikes.  This Vashi 'certification' is a report written by the guys who are selling it?  That doesn't make them wrong, and you do want this too, but that's just a reformating of the sales receipt.  It's a huge red flag that this is their primary defense of the grade on a 6 carat rock with, presumably, a 6 digit price tag. The difference between a G/SI1 and an H/SI2 in nearly a factor of 2.  Even G-H is going to affect the price to the order of $40,000!  This is not a tiny detail.  Yes, it's a pain, and they should get on it.  Immediately is a good schedule, and they should do it whether you buy it or not.  They already know this, which begs the question: "Why hasn't it been done already?"

 

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Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA

 

There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.

Professional Appraisals in Denver

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It's not defense - you shouldn't have to do it. The seller should do it.

If you have £100k plus to spend on a diamond, there are plenty of other sellers that can provide you one with a good lab report to back their opinion of what the diamond's colour and clarity (and fluorescence, and absence of treatment, and and and) are. Plenty of them within walking distance of Vashi in Mayfair!

My apologies for not making this clear immediately; I assumed from your first post that you were buying from a private individual, not from a jeweller!


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
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I missed that - I was interpreting "defense" as London Diamond's "defense" against possibly unscrupulous description on the part of the vendor.


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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