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Will A Flawless Diamond Still Be Flawless After Set Into A New Ring?

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I understand a diamond can scratch another diamond. Also if you hit your diamond ring hard onto a surface it can chip or crack. Will a Flawless round diamond (GIA certificate) still be Flawless after set into a new ring?

 

Thank You,

 

Gwendolyn

 

P.S. I would like a GIA Gemologist to answer this question. Someone told me that once a flawless diamond is set into a new ring that the diamond clarity will drop to a IF and the diamond will not be flawless anymore. Not sure if that true. 

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There's nothing about setting a diamond that specifically causes damage. It might, but that would be an error on the part of the setter (in this case, a serious one).

 

That said, the difference between F and IF is fantastically small and remarkably arcane.  The difference is in the polish, which is otherwise covered elsewhere in the grading.  This is a separate, 'secret' polish grading system.  That is to say, you can have an IF-excellent, their top polish grade, without getting an F.  

 

By the way, although I am indeed a GIA-GG, there are some serious experts here who aren't.  Don't summarily dismiss them as second fiddle.  There are plenty of idiot GG's out there and some top shelf experts with no paper at all.  


Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA

 

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Hi Gwendolyn,

 

There is nothing in the GIA grading manuals to suggest that the mere fact of setting a diamond will cause its clarity grade to drop, even from FL to IF. However:

 

1. As Neil said, the difference is fantastically small.

2. To assess whether or not anything has happened, the stone will need to be unset (with further, though even smaller risk) and then presumably reset (with...).

3. Although diamonds are very hard, they do get damaged - and not just from setting, contact with other diamonds or hard bangs.

 

If one is keen for a flawless diamond to remain such, it should be kept unset, unworn and unseen in a parcel paper in a safe. That is to say, unenjoyed. Is that what YOU want for YOUR diamond?

 

(BTW, I don't see how anything you said could be construed as an insult. Neither do I think that Neil took it as one - he was simply advising you not to judge a book solely by its cover... or by the paper it's printed on. He's got almost every kind of paper in the world, anyway).


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
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This email is from Gia library.

 

 

Dear Gwendolyn,

 

 

 

Mounting a diamond would not automatically change the clarity grade as long as the diamond was not damaged in any way. However, there is a possibility that mounting the diamond and/or wearing the ring may cause small blemishes that may affect the Flawless grade.

 

 

 

We hope this information will help you. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

________________________________________________________________

The Richard T. Liddicoat Gemological Library and Information Center

 

T +1 800 421 7250, ext. 4046 T +760 603 4046 F +1 760 603 4256

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...which is the same thing both Neil and I told you... 

 

So now you have it from three sources:

 

A GIA GG

Someone who does not hold any specific gemmology titles

GIA itself

 

At this point I'm curious: why is this so important for you?


Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
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There are plenty of idiot GG's out there and some top shelf experts with no paper at all.

 

 

I completely agree. R.K.

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I think gem settled in a ring should be molded and this need processing. After, processing it should lose some of it worth and gain some value.

 

Important here is what you need worth or value?

What in the world are you talking about?

 

A diamond does not loose worth or value by being set. 

 

The reality is as both Davide and Neil have described above.  The difference between the FL and IF is academic and needs a grading lab to determine.  In order to determine either, the stone must be submitted loose, which in theory would involved removing it from a setting and once again running the risk of damaging it.  Wearing a stone will also increase the risk of damaging it.  Unnoticed dings and knocks translate to bruises and nicks and chips regardless of the grade.  You, as a normal person wearing jewelry will never be able to distinguish the difference between FL and IF when the stone is set on your finger.  I have been in the diamond business over 30 years and, myself included, have never met anybody who could tell me with absolute certainty that a stone is FL without submitting it to GIA for verification/confirmation.  IF you have a FL stone and want to keep it as such, have it sealed up and put away in the bottom of a safe, never to be handled.


Laurent George
Diamond Ideals
New York City

www.diamondideals.com
212-207-4845
laurent@diamondideals.com

 

 

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You, as a normal person wearing jewelry will never be able to distinguish the difference between FL and IF when the stone is set on your finger. 

 

....and either would I or anybody else on here.  <_<

 

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Furthermore I would suspect that most if not all; highly skilled, well trained gemologists cannot tell the difference between VVS1 and VVS2 definitively using a 10x loupe only.

Conservatively the best grade I ever give large diamonds 1+ carater and more without a microscope is VS1. Pushing it further is just soft…IMO

FWIW: Unless it’s made by an important marker like VCA, Cartier, Tiffany, Webb, Buccellati, Heyman, etc…and the stones are “diamond melee†I can go VS/ VVS –which is standard catalog/descriptor practice.

Regards R.K.

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I think gem settled in a ring should be molded and this need processing. After, processing it should lose some of it worth and gain some value.

 

Important here is what you need worth or value?

I"m not understanding this either, but it sounds like a topic right up my alley.  It may be simply a language thing.  Can you rephrase this please?


Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA

 

There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.

Professional Appraisals in Denver

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