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Wendel Dsouza

Opinion On A Diamond I'm Looking At

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G'day guys from Australia,

 

Firstly the stronger US dollar is killing us especially when it comes to buying diamonds,2 years ago as compared to now in Australia it's probably going to be 20% more expensive, anyways such is life.

 

I am looking at an engagement ring, budget for diamond is $4600US or $6000AUD, been looking at blue Nile and hca for the light fire etc score and trying to understand geometries etc, in the shop colour wise I couldn't tell the difference between an I and a F of the same clarity so I feel like I can go down to a I when it comes to a colour however when it comes to clarity I notice you can see a fair bit of the inclusions with the naked eye so I have decided to sit around the SI1 mark or better, when it comes to inclusions and looking at inclusion I feel the major inclusion I don't want to see a cavity or a pepper (black dot), what do you guys think about crystal, they are coloured however some people claim you can't see them easily is this true other common inclusions in a SI1 are needles, cloud and twinning things, I feel like if the table or centre is clean you'll get the whole sparking thing going assuming you have a good crown and pav angle or a score lower than 2 on HCA??

 

So I have spent a fair bit of time researching so I'm looking for a brilliant round 1 carat SI1 or better with 3 ex and none to medium fluorescence, table to be greater than depth as well, I have come across one nice diamond can someone shine light on the inclusion with this diamond please, it looks good to me however just want to get some opinions on this, this particular diamond had a great score on hca and ticks most boxes, so any comments on the inclusions please

GCA 7208171596

 

Cheers

Del

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"Crystal" can be any mineral included in the diamond - from diopside and graphite to calcite or diamond itself where there were different centres of crystallization. The colour can go from black to completely transparent, but the only way of knowing is to see the diamond: the information is not on the report.

 

Similarly, there is no way of predicting whether any inclusion is going to be bothersome simply by looking at it on the report: you have no information about colour, depth and reflection. A "clean table" (on the report) is slightly more likely to mean a visually clean diamond, but not a guarantee by a long long way.

 

On the other hand, no properly graded SI inclusion is going NOT to get "the whole sparkling thing going", with the possible exception of many large, dark clouds which may still be graded SI but manage to give the whole stone a dull appearance.

 

I assume that "GCA" is a typo for GIA, and therefore you want feedback on this: http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=7208171596&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&pagename=GIA%2FDispatcher&c=Page&cid=1355990168790

 

It's precisely one of the cases where I'd be a little cautious: there are clouds not shown on the report. The clarity grade is not based on them, so they are likely to be small and/or very diffused, and it's an SI1, but nevertheless slightly higher risk than other stones. Can the vendor provide any feedback?

 

Apart from this, it looks like a lovely stone. Some would argue it's a shade too deep, but since this "excess depth" is due to a small table and a high crown, it's something that I am more than ready to forgive (I like old stones!)

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Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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thanks for the reply mate...appreciate it, buying diamonds online i guess sometimes you need a bit of luck. I will try and contact blue nile to see if they can enlighten any more info about this diamond. What are your thoughts about buying diamonds online, these days when you go to the shop in Perth really there isnt much on display and the ones that are there are pretty expensive or poor grade and they charge you a fair bit for it

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I have a bit of a vested interest... I am here as representative of an online diamond seller.

 

This said, I think the key is not online or physical store: it's who you buy from and the extent to which you need information that is not available on the lab report. In other words: honesty, expertise and access to the stones, and decent return policies are the requirements independent of the location of the seller.

 

Blue Nile is a very good company in the sense that they will sell you diamonds fairly described by a good quality lab report at a reasonable price and they have a good no-nonsense return policy. It's also a company that never sees or handles the diamonds they sell, and therefore it is not so good if you need more information.

 

I have just checked their website, and they do NOT have an Australian entity to take charge of customs clearance etc., which makes them no better from that point of view than any other US-based vendor.

Edited by davidelevi

Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Ok so found another 1, which of the two would you recommend both have a good hca score, GIA 6202511060

 

Any feedback on this please...much appreciated

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Hmm. What's the asking price for both of them? Do they come from the same source?

 

To clarify: there is usually a large jump in prices per carat when a diamond hits the 1.00 carat threshold. Of both are the same price (or very close), I suspect that the second diamond is not eye-clean (and, like the first one, it has "clouds not shown").

 

Assuming both are eye-clean and transparent, as far as proportions go I personally would prefer the first one, even though the second is a smidgen larger and it has "one carat bragging rights". This said, the second is no slouch in the cut department.

Edited by davidelevi

Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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Hi mate,

 

Thanks for taking the time to look into this, first one was on bluenile for just under6k AUD and second one is off james allen for $6196 AUD

Any website that you would recommend, the local shops here are rubbish they sell u a 1 carat I I1/I2 for 7k with setting, if you went SI2 looking at 9k, and SI 1 13k with setting in the colour range GHI

Cheers,

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Given that difference in price, I'd be cautious with the second diamond... JA publishes photos of most diamonds they stock. Can you see anything there?

 

The vendors on the Diamond Finder are all pretty good, though they are all different. Some specialise in super precision cut stones, others offer more of a "discount" service, but all are honest and with competitive prices.

 

If you are keen on superbly cut diamonds, a couple of other vendors that are worth considering (as well as Brian Gavin on the Finder) are Good Old Gold, Whiteflash and any Diamonds by Infinity dealer.

Edited by davidelevi

Davide - Specialised Consumer Information and Assistance,
Diamonds by Lauren (http://www.diamondsbylauren.com)
davide@diamondsbylauren.com

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I believe the price is a little high. I would recommend you to search for alternatives. You can find good vendors on the diamond finder. Any money saved will be very much beneficial for you. Given the forex difference between USD and AUD is widening.


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sharayvaroy, you keep adding comments (mostly irrelevant if not factually incorrect, BTW) to threads that have been dormant for months if not years. What is the point?

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