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Has Anyone Has Any Experience With Brilliance.com Of Florida?

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Hello everyone and thanks for an awesome forum to discuss! 

So far I have zeroed in to this diamond, but now I am starting to have my doubts again considering the price. I understand EGL will is less strict than GIA but apart from that I will like to have your opinion about what do you think about the diamond? Am I getting my money's worth? Should I stick to GIA?

http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/2.54-carat-round-i-color-si1-clarity-ideal-cut-egl-certified-loose-diamond-D13199254

I will appreciate any answers/suggestions or questions to ask to the vendor? Also, has anyone any experience good or bad with Brilliance.com based out of Florida(Bayton Beach) ?

Thanks a lot for your time guys,

Arnab

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This stone is graded by the EGL International Lab - the worst of the grading offenders.  It was done in 2011, well before the public and the industry started reacting to the practice of overgrading.  There are no images of the stone on the Brilliance site nor do they provide a diagram or any representation of the actual diamond.  Sight unseen, if I were guessing at the "real" (GIA) grade of this diamond, I would assume it is closer to a K/L I1.  If you want to be informed as to the actual quality of the diamond you are purchasing, I would recommend sticking to GIA or AGS grading reports.


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What I think about the diamond is that it's not an I/SI1/Ideal cut, which it is why it's not priced like one. Whether it's priced fairly for what it is, is another question, but one that would require regrading it to answer fairly.

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"I" color by EGL International is realistically a M-N color grade by GIA.

 

If price is a critcal factor for you, go ahead and order it for your personal review and use their return policy if you are not happy with the diamond.


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A qualified yes. if the only information you can receive is the grading report-stick with GIA.

 

OTH, if you are working with a an experienced diamond Vendor that can personally examine the diamond for you, that is a big plus and will allow you to consider diamonds graded by other labs as well.

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The price is attractive. You need to find out if the strong fluorescence negatively affects the face transparency and color of the stone.

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PA is 40.6°.  CA is 36.5°.

L (faint brown) color

GIA cert #1195906190

 Hi George,

I completely missed the faint brown part for L color. i thought L color has Faint Yellow to it, or at least that was told. Now  I noticed it is faint brown. I checked online faint brown vs faint yellow. The brown looks quite dark. I didn't think it will be this dark. I am nervous now, bcoz the side diamonds in the setting are in the range of  I-J and they said it will match. 

Does anyone has any experience with a similar kind of diamond. I will appreciate some pictures if anyone has any.
 

 

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Have you already bought Arnab??? If yes, could you please post pics and reviews for the same!!!

Haven't yet seen it. Trying to figure out this mystery of faint brown vs faint yellow

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I completely missed the faint brown part for L color. i thought L color has Faint Yellow to it, or at least that was told. Now  I noticed it is faint brown. I checked online faint brown vs faint yellow. The brown looks quite dark. I didn't think it will be this dark. I am nervous now, bcoz the side diamonds in the setting are in the range of  I-J and they said it will match. 

 

Does anyone has any experience with a similar kind of diamond. I will appreciate some pictures if anyone has any.

With yellow, brown and grey hues GIA will mention the hue (none mentioned = yellow) but leave the diamond on the D-Z scale from K (faint x) on. Faint brown can (in my opinion) be quite attractive and if properly set look almost pink, but it definitely will contrast with properly graded I-J melée.

 

Here are photos of some faint brown; bear in mind that colour (for D-Z grades) is assessed through the side, but the shape of the diamond will have a significant effect on how much of the colour is visible face-up. Rounds will tend to show the least, and radiants the most.

 

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/diamond-halo-ring-220ct-k-faint-brown-vs1-oval-shape-gia-split-shank-halo-r5198

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/faint-brown-diamond-ring-205ctw-k-faint-brown-round-brilliant-three-stone-diamond-ring-r4870

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/loose-diamond-60ct-pear-shape-k-faint-brown-si1-gia-subtle-color-laser-inscribed-r3924

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/soldthree-stone-diamond-ring-200-light-brown-radiant-diamond-vvs2-gia-emerald-sides


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As Barry said, the price is certainly attractive.  But in addition to the color and fluoro issues, the stone is also cut  deep giving it a smaller face up size than well cut stone in the 2.3-2.4ct  range.


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I completely missed the faint brown part for L color. i thought L color has Faint Yellow to it, or at least that was told. Now  I noticed it is faint brown. I checked online faint brown vs faint yellow. The brown looks quite dark. I didn't think it will be this dark. I am nervous now, bcoz the side diamonds in the setting are in the range of  I-J and they said it will match. 

 

Does anyone has any experience with a similar kind of diamond. I will appreciate some pictures if anyone has any.

With yellow, brown and grey hues GIA will mention the hue (none mentioned = yellow) but leave the diamond on the D-Z scale from K (faint x) on. Faint brown can (in my opinion) be quite attractive and if properly set look almost pink, but it definitely will contrast with properly graded I-J melée.

 

Here are photos of some faint brown; bear in mind that colour (for D-Z grades) is assessed through the side, but the shape of the diamond will have a significant effect on how much of the colour is visible face-up. Rounds will tend to show the least, and radiants the most.

 

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/diamond-halo-ring-220ct-k-faint-brown-vs1-oval-shape-gia-split-shank-halo-r5198

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/faint-brown-diamond-ring-205ctw-k-faint-brown-round-brilliant-three-stone-diamond-ring-r4870

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/loose-diamond-60ct-pear-shape-k-faint-brown-si1-gia-subtle-color-laser-inscribed-r3924

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/soldthree-stone-diamond-ring-200-light-brown-radiant-diamond-vvs2-gia-emerald-sides

 

 

 

Thanks a lot for all the links! It is helpful but it probably makes me more nervous because on the website it just said L and I thought it's L not L with faint brown. Will you happen to have two pictures of diamonds one just L and one L with faint brown?

Also, price wise, how much more do you think a L  with same spec would have cost?

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As Barry said, the price is certainly attractive.  But in addition to the color and fluoro issues, the stone is also cut  deep giving it a smaller face up size than well cut stone in the 2.3-2.4ct  range.

Thanks for your input. So I will ask you the same question too, for a diamond rated just L( and not with faint brown hue) how much do you think the price difference will be against this one considering all the other specs remain same?

 

 

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As Barry said, the price is certainly attractive.  But in addition to the color and fluoro issues, the stone is also cut  deep giving it a smaller face up size than well cut stone in the 2.3-2.4ct  range.

Thanks for your input. So I will ask you the same question too, for a diamond rated just L( and not with faint brown hue) how much do you think the price difference will be against this one considering all the other specs remain same?

 

 

 

It's a good question.  Oddly, traces of brown in a stone may not be as obvious as yellow from face up view.  From the side however, I think it is more obvious.  For this reason it is important to consider how the diamond will be set.  From a pricing standpoint there is a general biaz against brown in the market, so I think all other things being equal the fact that this stone has brown hue it would be priced lower than the same color grade in yellow.  How much lower for that difference, hard to say.  This particular stone has alot of factors pushing the price down.

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Thanks a lot for all the links! It is helpful but it probably makes me more nervous because on the website it just said L and I thought it's L not L with faint brown. Will you happen to have two pictures of diamonds one just L and one L with faint brown?

Also, price wise, how much more do you think a L  with same spec would have cost?

"L with faint brown" is L, in the sense that I know of no listing engine (owned or syndicated) that allows you to filter for brown or grey hue.

 

On the impact on price, I agree with Bryan: yes, there will be a (usually small) discount for brown, but the price of that particular stone is not driven by that.

 

Images: I have nothing side-by-side (and I haven't got a faint brown in stock at the moment, so I can't take a shot right now), but here are some photos of K-L stones taken by the same photographer and camera in the same room/environment.

 

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/loose-diamond-222ct-l-vvs2-old-european-cut-gia-lovely-stone-r5949

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/loose-diamond-214ct-l-vs2-round-brilliant-diamond-gia-triple-ex-r4952

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/crafted-by-infinity-round-brilliant-diamond-170ct-kvvs1-ideal-cut-agsl-r4437

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/loose-diamond-154ct-l-vvs1-cushion-cut-diamond-gia-r6316


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Thanks a lot for all the links! It is helpful but it probably makes me more nervous because on the website it just said L and I thought it's L not L with faint brown. Will you happen to have two pictures of diamonds one just L and one L with faint brown?

Also, price wise, how much more do you think a L  with same spec would have cost?

"L with faint brown" is L, in the sense that I know of no listing engine (owned or syndicated) that allows you to filter for brown or grey hue.

 

On the impact on price, I agree with Bryan: yes, there will be a (usually small) discount for brown, but the price of that particular stone is not driven by that.

 

Images: I have nothing side-by-side (and I haven't got a faint brown in stock at the moment, so I can't take a shot right now), but here are some photos of K-L stones taken by the same photographer and camera in the same room/environment.

 

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/loose-diamond-222ct-l-vvs2-old-european-cut-gia-lovely-stone-r5949

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/loose-diamond-214ct-l-vs2-round-brilliant-diamond-gia-triple-ex-r4952

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/crafted-by-infinity-round-brilliant-diamond-170ct-kvvs1-ideal-cut-agsl-r4437

http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/loose-diamond-154ct-l-vvs1-cushion-cut-diamond-gia-r6316

 

 

 

 

 

As Barry said, the price is certainly attractive.  But in addition to the color and fluoro issues, the stone is also cut  deep giving it a smaller face up size than well cut stone in the 2.3-2.4ct  range.

Thanks for your input. So I will ask you the same question too, for a diamond rated just L( and not with faint brown hue) how much do you think the price difference will be against this one considering all the other specs remain same?

 

 

 

It's a good question.  Oddly, traces of brown in a stone may not be as obvious as yellow from face up view.  From the side however, I think it is more obvious.  For this reason it is important to consider how the diamond will be set.  From a pricing standpoint there is a general biaz against brown in the market, so I think all other things being equal the fact that this stone has brown hue it would be priced lower than the same color grade in yellow.  How much lower for that difference, hard to say.  This particular stone has alot of factors pushing the price down.

 

 Thanks guys. Also thanks a lot for providing further links.

Just out of curiosity what else is keeping the price down? Also if you can send me an email I can send you a video. I am not able to upload any video here.

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In likely order of influence on price:

 

Cut grade

Fluorescence

Proportions (even within "very good" there are better and worse ones; this one is probably middle-of-the-road at best - it faces up quite small for a 2.50 carat)

Internal graining may be a tell-tale sign of stress in the stone; if that is the case, it could be another discount driver

 

Add to this that L colour isn't exactly fashionable...

 

(my email is in my signature; I'm not sure I can tell you very much from a video, but feel free to send).

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THIS BUSINESS IS WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY AND IGNORE YOU STAY AWAY

I have transferred money as a payment for a piece of jewelry and that was September 2018 and after 6 months of IGNORING MY EMAILS AND CALLS he decided that he can't manufacture the order and agreed to refund the money AND TILL NOW I HAVEN'T RECEIVED MY REFUND, IT HAS BEEN A YEAR

FIRSTLY, HE TOOK MY MONEY AND IGNORED ME

SECONDLY, HE AGREED FOR A REFUND YET STILL IT HAS BEEN 6 MONTHS AND NO REFUND

SO NOW IT HAS BEEN ALMOST A YEAR NO DELIVERED MERCHANDISE AND NO REFUND 

PS 
six months ago after agreeing to refund my money and kept stalling for another two months and I wrote my reviews, he started asking me to remove the reviews otherwise I will not receive my money

THERE IS NO POLICY ON THEIR WEBSITE SAYING THAT IF YOU WRITE A BAD REVIEW ABOUT US YOU WILL NOT RECIEVE YOUR MONEY

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