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  1. wait, what did you say? I was not listening:)



    Very good saying Davide!


    Re GIA- in some cases we purchase stones form the cutter pretty much as they come off the wheel- before visiting GIA. Particularly with lower priced stones- like Brown Diamonds.

    If a GIA report is requested, it is possible but there will be a charge for it.


    In terms of getting opinions about stones you are considering from jewelers who are trying to sell you things: The chances of impartiality are slim- and they may have limited experience with Fancy Colored Diamonds. Even if you go to an appraiser, you'd really need to vet them to see what their knowledge is on such a unique item.

    It's a shame, but your experience highlights this Aimee.

    The comment made about fluorescence not being spread evenly across the diamond indicating heating?

    Total nonsense.


    I will say that asking to see any 2ct round diamond for less than $10k in a jewelry store is very likely to cause a puzzled stare from the salesperson. These are not easy to find diamonds - especially in local jewelry stores.

  2. HI Aimee,

    I agree, brown diamond grading is a bit confusing.

    It's true that many industry traders use the Argyle scale of C1-C7

    IMO the scale is really lacking in that subtle differences in color can't be reliably graded.


    GIA's scale is far more detailed, yet that does not really solve this issue because there's so much variation which is so subtle it's just not possible to accurately, and repeatably categorize.

    Plus, there's plenty of stones in the D-Z scale that have shades of brown which are saturated enough that they'd be fancy colors if the hue was pink, yellow, green or blue.

    The result is that two stones with an identical GIA color grade can look very different in person.

  3. Platinum- my comment was only that I agree that there's a "hole" somewhere in the net.

    You're looking at reputable companies with good money back guarantees - excellent cut grade stones - so you're really going to be on pretty solid footing - you're not going to buy a bad diamond- or at least if you don't like it you can return or exchange it.


    About the rings- there are companies that sell both together- and should be able to provide a pair of rings that fit together


    Agreed that the right eyes looking and advising are perfectly acceptable- and can provide accurate info.

    Not that a second hand assessment is not honest- but it might be more difficult to interpret as well.

    But there are aspects of clarity, and cut that are a bit more difficult to get right in a game of "telephone" than in a discussion with someone who is actually holding the diamond and looking at it.Maybe that's the "hole" in the net Neil refers to.

    About conflict of of interest: I agree a "gemologist opinion" could be seen to be conflict if the gemologist is working for the seller- but I think that there's a lot of cases where a dealer- or a gemologist looking at a diamond on the dealers behalf will give an honest assessment- I'd like think it's a majority.

    But again, if someone is speaking to someone else actually holding the diamond and assessing it, it might be easier for a potential buyer to ask the right questions.

  4. HI Guys,

    About how some db companies "view" stones:

    In many cases they do not have the stones in hand, rather they're only asking the cutter what they think and relaying it to you.

    I would always ask for photos- which at least can let you know if they actually are looking at a diamond, or relaying second hand info


    I also advise consumers to consider both stone and ring together, as it allows a single purchase that may prove advantageous. For example, if you buy stone and ring together, and it does not come out as planned, you have only one company to hold responsible.

  5. Excellent point Davide!!

    I stand corrected.

    Opal- using eBay to set a price is a very bad idea IMO.

    IOW- something bid up to $2k today might get bid up to $3k tomorrow. It's very uncertain

    Id suggest setting the sell price at the lowest you will accept.


    It is a shame you need to sell it= there's no way someone in your family might want it?

  6. Hi Everyone,

    Ruby, I'm the guy that does the photos and videos, I work wife:)


    Seriously regarding Opal-

    Here's my thoughts:

    I personally don’t think an appraisal- any appraisal- is of any value to you in selling a diamond like that.

    If a buyer wants to have it appraised they are far better off having their own evaluation and a lot of buyers understand this


    Furthermore it looks like you have the GIA product that includes sealing the diamond for the buyer to open.

    Any appraisal of worth would involve removing the diamond from that capsule.


    As far as evaluation: Here's a good stone to use for comparison

    2.03 which I grade I1- the GIA report is color only

    Your stone is round which can, in some instances be worth more than a cushion- but I don’t think this is one of them.

    Brown, or even subtones of brown in particular is more common in round diamonds. Therefore a "pure" yellow or green round can be worth more than a cushion of the same size and color.

    but once there's brown, it's not the case. Generally.

    Then we have to factor in who is selling.

    My diamond is $5345 purchased from us with a money back guarantee.

    On eBay?


    Maybe more - but likely not.

    That would be the cushion I use as a comparison.

    Your stone is I3 - that's going to make it a tougher sale.


    I hope you don't have a whole lot invested in relation to these amounts, and wish you the best of luck with your sale.

    if you want to send us the $100 my wife will just use it for more "personal" jewelry, so save it.

  7. I agree that the advertising budget of some of those companies is larger than ours, in some cases exponentially larger.

    But if you add up the actual photographed inventory listed on a website - inventory that is owned by the company that runs the site- we may be larger than any of those....... :P


    And no offense taken old friend!!

  8. I agree, there are rather few trade posters and the number is shrinking. I'm something of an exception for sticking around. Actually I can’t think of any of the big time advertisers who regularly post either, no doubt for similar reasons unless they’re doing damage control over some problem being discussed about them in the thread.


    I rarely participate in the discussions of the merits or demerits of a stone found in a particular advertisement and normally I don’t even read those threads. Those seem to be mostly what Happy is unhappy about. Once upon a time there were spirited discussions over the technical details of this or that and things like what really makes a stone ‘hearts and arrows’, what's the best table size, what is brillianteering and why you should care and similar techy minutia. This has been completely halted although I think it’s more because of the experts not wishing to take the time or expend the emotional energy for what they see as no return than an effort to stay within the rules. Those discussions did tend to lead to some acrimony and there were some pretty heated debates but they also made for interesting reading and actually resulted in a pretty good education for the folks who followed them. The new management seems to like it to be a bit less volatile. The tradeoff is that the experts have mostly moved on and the advice is coming from anonymous posters (like here, trade people must identify themselves but ‘consumers’ can remain anonymous). That’s his business decision to make but it does lead to some of the things being discussed here.


    Why do I stay? Partially out of habit, partly for entertainment, but mostly because I think it brings me business. It’s the same reason I stay here. People read things I’ve written that hopefully they think have merit and that puts me on the radar if and when they’re looking for an appraiser. I think my posts benefit the appraisal community in that, unfortunately, the business of appraisals is full of seriously unqualified and even unethical providers and posting on these places raises the expectations of consumers for what appraisal services both are and aren’t good for. I think they benefit the consuming public for the same reason and, actually, I think they even benefit the jewelers because the discussions highlight the ones with good practices and they get more business as a result. Light into dark corners is the worlds' best disinfectant.


    I ask every single client how they found me. At least 1 or 2 a day give either PS or DI and I suspect there are more who don’t mention it or don’t remember.


    Hi Neil,

    From my perspective, I consider us a "big" advertiser on PS. I don;t know what others spend, but we do sponsor the forum in a robust manner with our banner ads.


    I find that the ownership of PS is extremely tolerant of different opinions. Members? Not nearly as much..

    If a consumer wants to "promote" a company, they can do it very effectively.

    Tradespeople's motivations are clear, Some of these consumers seem driven by hidden motivations.

    One guy really dislikes me ( for reasons that are unclear to me to this day) so he constantly plugs the competition.


    With regards to HCA- I've been one of the most vocal critics. In defense of Garry- although he has debated the issue, I was never told to stop pursuing it.

    Speaking objectively, I don;t prefer t use it, but there is some consistency in results.

    We carry Crafted by Infinity diamonds- which will all score wonderfully on the HCA- and there's something to be said for that.

    BUT- a GIA EX cut grade stone which is not cut technically as well as a stone scoring under 2 on HCA may be more attractive to some observers.

    Given that the "super ideal" cuts cost more, it's not a zero sum game.

    By having a numeric grade, it makes it seem like a stone scoring 5 is "worse" than a stone scoring 1. But it's not the case for all buyers or lovers of diamonds. the different type of brilliance of certain types of stones scoring lower on HCA has less contrast and patterning, and looks better to some observers..

    A stone like this triple EX which scores close to 5 on HCA- so if someone likes this look better it seems somehow "wrong" to tell them they love a defective stone based on HCA


  9. Another aspect of this is the ring itself.

    I think it's crucial for shoppers to consider both ring and diamond together.

    If one is purchasing in a store, then make sure to see a lot of samples of the type of ring you're considering.

    I strongly believe actual photos and videos are a boon to consumers in this regard- allowing folks to see the quality up close

  10. Hi Guys!

    Actually we have different levels of how much we can use metal to halo the color of a yellow.

    In the case of R3161, that's about the lowest level- prongs only in yellow - the rest of the ring is 14kt white gold.

    We can take additional steps from adding a small "ring" inder the stone, all the way up to creating a basket under the stone.


    Thank so much to Davide and Daimondless!!

  11. Hi Newbie,

    We are on the ninth floor- but do you know how many ninth floors there are on 47th st??:)


    Seriously- I don;t think we were that same place your co-worker shopped- she would have showed you our website.


    IN terms of the diamond- I think it's a very good idea to do your due diligence- and your presence here proves you have.

    In terms of where to buy- that's where I'd put my efforts into deciding.

    Each of the better sellers offers different advantages.

    For some, it's a blue box.

    For Internet shoppers it might be the lowest price, or a slightly higher price, with a better level of service.

    I'd suggest talking to the places you're interested in- and see how you feel.

    A great thing about the internet is that bad news travels pretty fast, when it comes to a bad seller.

    Barry is great- James Allen is another great seller.

    Make sure you get a money back guarantee- some of the nice gentlemen on 47th street , street level don;t very much like us giving that advice....

  12. Kind of annoying that they put the logo directly on top of the photos.....but even still the photos are not all that descriptive.


    Generally speaking feathers should not be a concern, but you don't need a "general" answer.

    Can the stone be gotten with a money back guarantee- this way you can show the place you chose to set it, and they should be able to give you a definitive answer.

  13. Hi,

    It's not possible to really tell all that much regarding inclusions from a GIA report.

    Does the vendor have the stone in hand?

    Can they provide photos?


    Who will be setting the diamond? If it's the same place you're buying it, will they guarantee it during setting?


    I'd recommend you speak with the seller and get their impressions.

    if you'd like to come back after speaking with them, and let us know how they answered, that might help.

  14. I tried to run your diamond using the HCA scope, it came back with the following result:


    Light return: fair

    Fire: fair

    Scintillation: fair

    Spread: very good

    Total visual performance: 6.0 - fair


    I'm by no means a gemologist, but if these factors are important to you, then it should be criteria for your selection.



    All that means is that the creator of the HCA won;t like the stone. I have found MANY stones ( including one I gave to my wife) that score poorly on HCA yet look AMAZING in real life.

    GIA graded the cut EX- which in itself does not mean everyone will love it- but it does mean the stone is well cut, and many people will love it more than other stones scoring better on HCA

  15. HI ALex,

    First thing- thanhk you very much for your service to our country- and please be careful out there!


    Here's a ring we just shipped today- it has a yellow diamond in the center- but we also make rings like this for colorless stones




    Below is a similar style, with a single shank- the yellow one had a split shank




    Also popular today is the use of pink gold/pink diamonds in halo rings




    What shape center diamond were you thinking of?

  16. I understand what Neil is saying- however in my mind the methodology GIA used is less important the the reasons behind it.

    That is to say: There are branded diamonds- the sellers want to bill these stones as "the best cut"- which is necessary to justify the premiums they charge.

    I believe that GIA was looking to avoid endorsing this type of selling technique with their cut grade.

    If we look at AGSL, which is attempting to promote cut grades for Fancy Shapes( with spectacularly unsuccessful results) we'll find what I'm pointing out GIA wishes to avoid.

    When cutters and dealers honestly say what they like best, there's going to be a fairly wide variety of opinions.

    AGSL is basically attempting to ram one set of opinions down everyone's throats.

    I have never been convinced that we can objectively prove one diamond's cut is better than another- especially within certain guidelines.

    One of those that is objective is the visual size of a stone.

    A well cut round of 1.00cts should spread in the neighborhood of 6.5mm.

    In terms of how shiny the stone is- or put another way, how it reacts to light- again- we only really have subjective measurements.


    Rocktwo- I've attached two photos of a stone that virtually every expert will agree is poorly cut.

    From the front view we can see a dark ring in the middle.

    The side view shows how thick the girdle is, and how deep the stone is.

    This combination produces a small for it's weight looking stone- that's fairly dull.

    The video I've posted shows a stone that would be considered well cut by a majority of experts

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  17. HI Rocktwo,

    1.36 is a hard to find size. The price is certainly not out of line, if other factors are correct- such as terms of sale, reputation of seller, etc.

    I'm with Neil on this one.

    Stones graded EX cut grade by GIA can be considered well cut by virtue of that fact.

    There is a fairly wide range of stones that meet this criteria however.

    That means that there's an element of taste that comes into play.

    For that reason, it's a good idea to have a look at the stone in person to make sure it fits your taste.

    A money back guarantee is essential if it's an online purchase.

  18. Hi Tata

    I have a slightly different take on this.

    J color is classified as "Near Colorless"- however certain people are extremely color sensitive, and may notice the tint, no matter the metal it is set in.

    So this one comes down to your sensitivity to color in diamonds.

    I love J colors, but I can easily see the tint in many cases.


    In terms of which looks largest, it's a case by case basis.

    Some marquises look huge for their weight, others not so much.

    Cushions and ovals can take so many forms- when the LxW is different.

    Then we have to consider the depth.

    As opposed to rounds, where the parameters are much tighter- a well cut, yet shallow round is 58%, a deep one can be well cut at up to 62%.

    Nicely cut ovals and cushions can range from 50% up to the high 70's- and even greater. Therefore the range of visual sizes for a one carat cushion or oval is far greater than those of a round.

    Generalizations simply don't work in this aspect

  19. Hi Mech,

    In terms of clarity, I don;t believe BN actually has the stones in stock to be able to make claims about eye cleanliness- many SI1's are eye clean- but there are others that are not.

    i'd ask if they have the stone to be able to verify the eye cleanliness.


    The second stone, again does not seem to be in the hands of the seller. They very well might be very nice, but the also may not.


    When it comers to analyzing diamonds, the visual aspects trump pretty much everything else. That is to say, if GIA gives to "EX" cut grade, it is going to be a well cut stone. However that by itself does not mean you'll love it.


    As far as the setting- this is definitely a question of style- do you think she'll love the setting?

  20. kotzes- I would say that the price range you're shopping in- that being around $1200 per carat for the 1ct plus stones, is at the bottom of the scale, for a one carat stone.

    That does not mean for sure it won't be pretty- or that you won;t love it- but make very sure the return policy is completely transparent- and that you're getting a reasonable period to get a refund if you're not happy.

    Being expensive is no guarantee of beauty. But stones at the lower ends of the spectrum price-wise, need to be looked at in person.


    IN terms of the cut, I'm sure Neil will agree, boiling the cut of any diamond down to table depth numbers is oversimplifying the whole concept of how to accurately asses a diamonds' cut quality.


    The only comparable we have is this stone- and it's a lot more than theirs. ( $3695 on our site)

    1.17ct Fancy Brownish Yellow (GIA)


  21. +1 about Sliver- it does refer to "Silver Cape" J-M goods.


    Romfea- besides everything else, coated diamonds are very ...delicate- although they're billed as "very stable".

    The only color coated I've seen is brownish pink diamonds coated pink

    This was an example- and although it was nowhere near the price a natural stone that might look like this, it was a lot more than any colorless diamond


  22. Hi iloveshopping


    Davide's answer is a good one- and it's widely stated that larger SI stones will more easily show their imperfections.

    The other side of this is that the larger stones may also distract the eye more.


    The stone above is 6cts, graded SI2 by GIA.

    I can see the imperfections easily in the photo- however in person, when you look into the table- all the reflections simply obliterate any chance you might have to see the imperfection- so it's eye clean.


    In terms of "ideal cut", I made a video comparing two stones.

    One hast the "hearts and arrows" look- commonly called "ideal"

    The other has a more "disorganized" sparkle.

    Both are graded "EX" cut grade by GIA ( both are "triple Ex- meaning Polish, Symmetry, and Cut grade are all "EX")

    As I mention in the video, I far prefer the less organized sparkle- as will MANY people if given the choice.

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