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  2. davidelevi

    Can a diamond be dented?

    Hi Pmasley, welcome to Diamond Review, and congratulations on your engagement! Diamonds generally don't dent - they are way too hard and rigid. They can crack and chip, though, and it is possible that they do so when they are being set (or prongs are tightened). Unfortunately, we'd need to see the diamond to confirm whether your impression that the diamond is dented is just the prong metal reflecting (and possibly in a slightly different way from what it did before), or the diamond is actually damaged.
  3. Pmasley

    Can a diamond be dented?

    Hello, new fiancé here 😊I’ve had my e-ring for about two months now and recently found threads/lint getting stuck in some of the prongs here and there. Come to find out, that can be a bad sign that the prongs are loose so I took it to my jeweler to check it out. They tightened up the prongs and I was on my way. Upon observing my ring after the prong tightening, I don’t know if my eyes are playing tricks on me or not but it almost seems as if one of the prongs is denting and pushing into the diamond?Is this even possible for a jeweler to dent a diamond from tightening the prongs? Please let me know as I can’t find a clear answer on the internet. Thank you!
  4. davidelevi

    Reset ring- might have been given different diamond

    @Ed Auguero - would you mind clarifying what your relationship with Diamond Hedge is, and who/what they are exactly? Why should anybody listen to an unidentified organisation? Advertising, especially covert advertising, is not allowed on this forum; on the other hand, if you are a bona fide member of the trade, you are welcome to use a footer with your company's name on every post. Lack of a response to this within 24 hours will prompt reporting of your post to admin.
  5. Ed Auguero

    Reset ring- might have been given different diamond

    Resetting a Ring: Some Pointers Look for a trustworthy jeweler that you can trust- Even though resetting is a simple procedure, you should make sure you explain all you want before they start working so there are no misunderstandings. Stay knowledgeable to protect your valuables- You should always know and have your GIA or diamond certificate,” Diamond Hedge advises, “so you know all the specifics regarding your diamonds.” “A diamond is a really costly stone, and you don't want it destroyed or, in some situations, changed or swapped.” Inquire with the jeweler about your availability- To that end, Diamond Hedge advises asking the jeweler if you can observe the process of swapping your main diamond into the new setting. “Ask if you can be there if you're a little nervous about the swap,” he advises. “The majority of jewelers will let you do that.
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  7. davidelevi

    A match? Or chipped?

    Hi Erik, welcome to Diamond Review! Well... I wish I could give a definite answer to at least one of your questions. It really depends on how close you need them to be. Where is the other diamond? If you are thinking of a 'moi et toi' ring or something like that, it probably isn't. If you are thinking of a pair of ear studs (I know you aren't - just as an example), probably yes: there is always going to be a head in between. The difference in symmetry is probably the least concern; proportions (and looks) may be quite different between GIA EX and GIA EX; when you expand the field to VG, without the reports (and ideally seeing the diamonds!) it's anybody's guess as to how well they will match. BTW - it's possible that the only reason why this got a 'VG' symmetry grade is because of the chip; is the chip in the report, or did it happen after grading? On the other hand, light brown Q-R stones aren't super common (or rather - they are relatively common, but not many get graded by GIA, as they get sold without a lab report or at best with a third-tier lab report), and if at least the diameters and table % are similar you may be able to get away with a lot more than may seem possible if they match reasonably well in colour. Which in turn opens another can of worms, as 'Q-R, light brown' covers a much greater range of shades than (say) G or H. Ah, the chip, the chip. Yes, it's possible in theory to hide that under a prong. However, depending on why the chip happened (e.g. too thin a girdle?), it may make things worse. In addition, whether the 'hiding' is successful depends in part on the style of the setting; a thin, claw-like prong may not hide enough. And any prong - unless you go for a bezel-style setting - is going to be placed at a slightly asymmetrical angle vs. the stone faceting. Would I buy it? At a very discounted price, and knowing a skilled setter, maybe I would. But not otherwise.
  8. Erik92

    A match? Or chipped?

    Forgot to ask: Any experience in hiding a chip of this size under a prong? Go or no-go?
  9. Erik92

    A match? Or chipped?

    Dear DR, I have previously purchased a GIA 1.03 ct Q-R diamond (brillant). 3EX-grade with a very light brown color. And I am now looking for a matching diamond for a ring. I stumbled on this diamond (see picture). Also Q-R, 1.0 ct. etc... But it appears to have a small chip at 12 o'clock. And cut/symmetry is 'only' very good (not excellent). Would this be close enough? Or should the chip/slight difference in cut/symmetry be of concern? Thank you for your help!
  10. davidelevi

    Wedding bands recommendation

    There is a fair amount of work in building and setting - unless you make the effort to design a CAD model (which is only worth doing if you have a significant volume), so a good jeweller in a relatively cheap country can be very competitive on these things.
  11. kevindd992002

    Wedding bands recommendation

    Ok. I'm leaning towards the local jeweler now since their prices are bmvery attractive compares to BGD's.
  12. davidelevi

    Wedding bands recommendation

    I honestly think you are overthinking this. Either get BGD to supply something that they know fits - because they have done hundreds of those already, or get a local goldsmith to do one that fits. Everything else is pointless speculation.
  13. kevindd992002

    Wedding bands recommendation

    So technically, between the two designs (gap vs. no gap), is there really any performance/stability/reliability differences? Is less metal usually more preferable? How does less metal relate to more labour with Tiffany? Does that mean that with less metal to work with, they can focus more on perfecting the craftsmanship or something? So it's a toss between the 3pt and 5pt then. I'm asking BGD if they have a copy of the CAD they gave me but with dimension callouts. The ones they gave me before only had the actual ring itself which I found useless.
  14. davidelevi

    Wedding bands recommendation

    Yes This not only uses less metal; it usually makes the mounting a closer fit for the stone (relatively unimportant for melée which are cut to uniform sizes). I did miss your edit. Couple of considerations: 1. The larger the stones in the band, the deeper they are, the taller the band. 2. At some point, you will get into the 'competition' with the centre stone. A 10 pointer is going to be around 3 mm, which is about half of the diameter of the 0.903. This means that 4 x 0.10 have as much surface area as the 0.90, and any colour and cut quality differences will become more easily visible. Maybe. It depends on a lot of stuff... the ring is a 3-D object, and things need to fit in all 3-D. A goldsmith really needs to see the ring in reality (or have the full 3D specs from a CAD file).
  15. kevindd992002

    Wedding bands recommendation

    Do those gaps in the Tiffany design have any purpose at all? In the WF/BGD design those gaps are closed off if you know what I mean. Do you have any comments on my width question above? You might've missed my edit.
  16. CharJo

    VS1 with indented natural inclusions

    This is really really helpful! Thank you so much!!
  17. davidelevi

    Wedding bands recommendation

    It could be. It all depends on how the initial casting of the base is made - the more traditional fabrication used by Tiffany privileges 'less metal' and uses 'more labour' vs. the casting approach used by the others, but in theory both can be made very thin. Given a typical 5 pointer-diameter of 2.3 mm, 1.8 is pretty close to the depth of the stone (say 60-65%, averaging out around 1.45 mm). That doesn't leave much space between the bottom of the metalwork and the culet... I'm measuring the distance on the Tiffany photo to be about 0.6 mm, considering those are larger stones (~8 points, with a diameter of ~2.7 mm and a depth of ~1.7 mm), so the difference in height vs 'the stone' is not huge - about the diameter of 3 human hairs side-by-side.
  18. kevindd992002

    Wedding bands recommendation

    So I gave some of the famous jewelers we have locally and it looks like they do have the designs that we want. I'm asking them quotes now. They have both the Tiffany/B2C shared prong designs and the BGD/WF designs. If you were just to look at the design difference (gap vs. no gap in the prong areas), would it make sense to consider the BGD/WF designs to be set lower? I mean, if that's the case, then I would think that is the better design. In BGD's website, it says that the top height is 1.8mm and that it sits very low on the finger. The local jeweler also has these choices for the Tiffany design: 2mm wide using 3pt stones 2.5mm wide using 5pt stones 3mm wide using 10pt stones I know you said earlier that a couple of 3pt. or 5pt. melee stones will not outshine the e-ring's 0.903ct center stone on, but will 10pt stones do? For the band's width, would a 2.5mm be safe bet if the real world measurements of the reversed tapered e-ring are 1.7mm top height and 2.7mm bottom height? Ok, got it. I'll see what I can come up with, lol.
  19. davidelevi

    Wedding bands recommendation

    I would say they are 'in the middle' with their own brand/unbranded pieces. For the ultimate comfort fit, the best choice is what you find comfortable. Your hand is not 'the average hand' and what I or 10,000 other people find most comfortable, you may find less comfortable. 😁 Well... given what I just wrote above, then go with a wider band - the only thing I would recommend is not to choose 'design' in preference to 'comfort': you'll be wearing the ring 24/7 for a long time.
  20. kevindd992002

    Wedding bands recommendation

    Ah, so the usual suspects do a good job with their metalwork. I thought their expensive just because of their name brand but has the same quality as vendors like WFand BGD. Is WF and BGD also down there with Blue Nile, B2C, JA, etc. as relative cheap market vendors? That's what my fiancee is saying too. If anything, I would go with 5mm at least as my personal preference. However, my choices are limited with that width. 6mm is the most common among the designs. I see. So for the ultimate comfort fit (both in the ring finger and the adjacent fingers), would a slightly-domed comfort fit be the best choice? Yeah, I just couldn't stop reaearching, lol. But yeah, I take those with a grain of salt and still ask her ein the forums for professional opinion from people like you (thanks!).
  21. davidelevi

    Wedding bands recommendation

    For metalwork - "the usual suspects": Tiffany, Cartier and their likes (though I don't think the rest have a big online presence), and various 'craftsman' outlets. There is a broad mid-range including much of what is for sale through 'premium cut' vendors, and then there's the relatively cheap mass-market, including unbranded goods from Blue Nile, B2C, JA and others. Just the way in which the 4.5 mm seemed to suit your hand's proportions - bigger would look (in my personal opinion) 'forced' and a bit gaudy. Nothing objective - purely personal taste/observation, and there may well be "cultural norms" that we don't share/I'm not aware of. The only issues with a sharp bevel are: 1) if it is really sharp, it may be uncomfortable (the sharp edge - however angled - still sits between your fingers), and 2) knocks, dings and dents are more noticeable on a sharp, straight edge, particularly if it is mirror finished to create a contrast with the satin. This said, I would really strongly recommend that you stop "reading about" and buy what makes you feel good, visually and to the touch. There is a lot to be said for gut (or finger) feeling - and a lot against "analysis paralysis". 😊
  22. kevindd992002

    Wedding bands recommendation

    Got it. From the popular online vendors, which ones do you rank as "premium" ones? As for my band, I like either a 5mm or 6mm. Though I'm gearing towards 6mm, I'm still not fully decided. My fiancee says a 5mm would look better for my slender fingers. What made you recommend not going above 4.5mm? So far, here are my candidates: Textured ones: https://www.whiteflash.com/wedding-rings/mens-comfort-fit-wedding-band-with-spin-satin-finish-920.htm https://www.whiteflash.com/wedding-rings/mens-comfort-fit-wedding-band-with-spin-satin-finish-920.htm https://www.b2cjewels.com/men-gold-bands/GRST0298/platinum-6mm-comfort-fit-satin-finished-high-polished-round-edge-carved-design-band https://www.b2cjewels.com/men-gold-bands/GRST0114/6mm-platinum-comfort-fit-satin-finished-with-high-polished-center-cut-carved-design-band https://www.bluenile.com/brushed-inlay-wedding-ring-platinum_58200 https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond-jewelry/wedding-bands/classic-bands/men-s-satin-and-shiny-band-5496 With a single diamond: https://www.b2cjewels.com/men-diamond-wedding-rings/DRAJ3645/classic-single-diamond-satin-finish-mens-diamond-ring-in-platinum-0-06-cttw- https://www.jamesallen.com/wedding-rings/mens-diamond/platinum-6mm-beveled-bezel-set-diamond-wedding-ring-item-837 I'm kinda liking the satin finish on the rings to add to the style. Would there be any issues when going with a beveled edge design? I'm reading that it adds to the design and sleeky-ness of the ring. I'm also reading that it'd be better to go with a slightly domed ring for comfort. Though I'm not seeing any slightly-domed rings that have a satin finish.
  23. davidelevi

    Wedding bands recommendation

    They are an excellent vendor - but they are not a 'premium' one, including the metalwork they typically offer. The problem you are going to have is that rhodium plated white gold is going to look quite different from platinum, particularly as platinum 'ages' and patinates, while every time you re-plate the gold it is going to look 'as new'. If you don't mind having the two rings looking quite different, and having to re-plate the gold every now and then, then it's a pretty good place to save some money.
  24. kevindd992002

    Wedding bands recommendation

    Ok. I'm sure my fiancee would want the bigger stones. It's just how their girls' minds are wired Other than the fact that it would make more sense to go with BGD since I got the e-ring from them, what other things should I watch out about B2C? Are they a reliable vendor? After I get a final decision with her band, I would need to concentrate on mine. I do see a couple of good designs in B2C that are more affordable than what BGD offers for men's bands. So I thought I'd ask if there are any negative things about them that I should watch out for. Feel free to PM me if this is something that can't be said publicly. Also, if we go with a 1mm spacer between her e-ring and band, would it make sense to just go with the cheapest 14K white gold? Or will it matter if we also go with Platinum as her two rings are/will be Platinum?
  25. davidelevi

    Wedding bands recommendation

    So... it seems to me that there is no point in considering WF - if you spend more, you may as well go with BGD. Whether the $100 for 5 vs 3 pt are worth it, is a good question... I like the roundedness that comes with smaller stones, but nothing wrong with liking slightly larger ones too. Where I think I would spend the money is in getting BGD rather than B2C.
  26. kevindd992002

    Wedding bands recommendation

    Ok, gotcha. I'd have to check with B2C regarding that rendering that looks exactly like the Tiffany one. The prices and melee stones specs are (for the proper prong settings): B2C - $1717 ($2020 less 15%), not sure if they have a better price for wire, 11 x F/G VS, 0.64 cttw WF - $2182.5 wire price (no discount), 14 x F/G VS, 0.5 cttw BGD - $2167.5 ($2550 less %15 for labor day only), not sure if they have a better price for wire, 11 x .05 F/G VS Brian Gavin Signature melee, 0.55 cttw BGD also told me that they can use 3pt (instead of the default 5pt) stones but that will slash only around $100 off the price. Do you think that's worth it? Or just stick with the 5pt ones?
  27. davidelevi

    Wedding bands recommendation

    Maybe. Or maybe you'd need 2 mm. Or no spacer. The reason why I'm mentioning the 1 mm spacer is because (I assume - from what you said above) BGD has seen and tested their designs with that, and found it to work best. If you use a different design (and we are talking millimetres or fractions thereof, here, so the difference may not be all that visible without measuring, never mind in a CAD rendering), you may need a different sort of adjustment. For a while, we made curved bands to 'nestle' against the centre stone; some people liked that (and it definitely didn't spin!), but it was more expensive than going straight. There are two shared beads - which is significantly better than one, but no "prong" (this is a bead raised from the base shank material - or at least it seems such - again, with a CAD rendering it is difficult to understand what they actually intend to do). The two that I would consider 'proper' prong settings are the Tiffany ring and - possibly - the first B2C rendering you posted (and the others you posted in your first post, except the B2C ones, all seem to have prongs). I must say, having looked at all of them again, you can see something of what you pay for with Tiffany... See above... I don't mean to be difficult, but you really do need to get the two rings next to each other, to decide what to adjust and how. Which is why - even though it's a bit more expensive - if risk-minimising, I would go with the BGD design: at least they have seen/designed both shanks, and can tell you what works.
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