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[Ttxcs]

I'm in the search for a round diamond, around $18000, F color, VS2.
I found this on JA and would like some advice on this. I am not sure it's the right price for this specs but it seems fit into my budget.


1.5 Carat
Excellent Cut, Polish, Symmetry
F color
VS2
GIA
61.2 Depth
57 Table
Medium Girdle
None Culet
None Fluorescence

[url="http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1430381.asp"][url]http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1430381.asp[/url][/url]

Edited by Ttxcs, 28 January 2012 - 04:40 PM.

[davidelevi]

It looks OK on paper; there are few, rare VS2 that have inclusions visible to the unaided eye, but this seems perfectly clean, even using a 9x magnification - ask JA to check the visibility of the included crystals if you have any concerns.

Other than that, it seems OK and priced quite competitively - I am not sure what you are worried about.

[Ttxcs]

davidelevi, on 29 January 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

It looks OK on paper; there are few, rare VS2 that have inclusions visible to the unaided eye, but this seems perfectly clean, even using a 9x magnification - ask JA to check the visibility of the included crystals if you have any concerns.

Other than that, it seems OK and priced quite competitively - I am not sure what you are worried about.

Thank you. I will ask JA about the visibility.

And i have another question, i asked on elsewhere and seems nobody is answering me so i am asking here as well.

There is a 1.43 ct, E color, VS2 i'm comparing with.

1.43 Carat
Excellent Cut, Polish, Symmetry
E color
VS2
GIA
61 Depth
57 Table
Thin to slightly thick Girdle
None Culet
None Fluorescence

This 1.43 is $320 less than the 1.5, so i can say it's almost the same price it's just the color grade is different.
Which one seems to be a better choice? And the girdle rate different, how different will it make?
Thx

Edited by Ttxcs, 29 January 2012 - 11:15 AM.

[davidelevi]

The girdle will make very little difference to light reflection, however it will make the diamond look slightly smaller for the same weight. Compare the diameters of the two stones, bearing in mind that less than ~0.10 mm you will not see even with the stones next to each other, and less than ~0.20 you will not see without the two stones side-by-side.

Of the two diamonds, the one that seems by far the better bargain based on the info you have posted is the 1.50. On paper, I prefer its cut parameters, and a stone that reaches 1.50 (as opposed to "nearly but not quite") is going to sell for more per carat. E vs F once set will be impossible to tell the difference. Whether it is the one that you (or the recipient) prefers, is a different question.

[Ttxcs]

davidelevi, on 29 January 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

The girdle will make very little difference to light reflection, however it will make the diamond look slightly smaller for the same weight. Compare the diameters of the two stones, bearing in mind that less than ~0.10 mm you will not see even with the stones next to each other, and less than ~0.20 you will not see without the two stones side-by-side.

Of the two diamonds, the one that seems by far the better bargain based on the info you have posted is the 1.50. On paper, I prefer its cut parameters, and a stone that reaches 1.50 (as opposed to "nearly but not quite") is going to sell for more per carat. E vs F once set will be impossible to tell the difference. Whether it is the one that you (or the recipient) prefers, is a different question.

I heard the price per carat is based on those margin, 1.0, 1.5, once it reaches this "magic" number, price goes up like crazy. It's just the letter "E" and "F" people might feel it's less valuable than the others.

As you had mention the less than ~0.20 i ain't able to see the different side-by-side. I am going to bring up another question. Sorry i have so many to ask. I just have to be sure, overall it's a big purchase. Don't want to regret it later.

There is a stone, 1.3 ct, E, VS2 $3000 less than the 1.5.

1.3 Carat
Excellent Cut, Polish, Symmetry
E color
VS2
GIA
61.4 Depth
56 Table
Thin to medium Girdle
None Culet
None Fluorescence



How does it look compare to the 1.5? It see some crystal/feather on the table, i will once again as JA about that. Does it look okay to you? Compare these 2 again (i'm sure this is the last comparison i'm asking) which one will be a better choice? This ring picking processing is so frustrating.

Thank you again.

Edited by Ttxcs, 29 January 2012 - 12:54 PM.

[Liz]

All three show very nice cuts and will all be brilliant with maximum light reflected from the stone.
Just a matter on if you want the larger diamond at a higher price...

Ask JA about what they see as far as inclusions go....but I bet they are both "eye-clean"

[davidelevi]

Depth and table are not enough to even guess on cut. I understand that you want to remove links/references to avoid the stones being snatched under your very eyes, but even just providing the GIA or AGS report number allows a quick check of the report without disclosing where it is for sales. Alternatively, if you could please at the least point out the crown and pavilion angle, it would help in the comparison.

Apart from that, Liz has it absolutely right - value is in the eye of the beholder. Is having the bragging rights of "it's a 1.50 carat" worth an extra $3000? Only you can answer!

[Liz]

Hi David,

TTxcs did post the diamond's proportions in their posts above. All angles are provided.

[davidelevi]

Bummer - cannot see the images. It must be a connection issue! Will try again from another network.

[Ttxcs]

Liz, on 30 January 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

All three show very nice cuts and will all be brilliant with maximum light reflected from the stone.
Just a matter on if you want the larger diamond at a higher price...

Ask JA about what they see as far as inclusions go....but I bet they are both "eye-clean"

Thanks. It's the inclusions and extra 3K i'm considering.

[Ttxcs]

davidelevi, on 30 January 2012 - 06:34 AM, said:

Bummer - cannot see the images. It must be a connection issue! Will try again from another network.

In case the image still wasn't showing. Here is the specs of the 1.3

1.3 Carat
Excellent Cut, Polish, Symmetry
E color
VS2
GIA
61.4 %Depth
56 %Table
35 Crown
40.8 Pavilion
Thin to medium Girdle
None Culet
None Fluorescence

Crystal and Feather on the table and side.

[davidelevi]

Thanks - and sorry for the technology mess up.

#3 looks as good as the other two - always on paper. The question remains one of "value" or personal preference. FWIW, I would be tempted to go with the 1.32 and spend the "savings" on a nicer setting, a pair of earrings, something for yourself or really save them (though don't ask me where to invest them, in this day and age) - but this is my personal preference. Second strategy is to go with #1 and plump for the "full monty and a half". #2 looks lame to me: you will get a slightly smaller diamond that looks pretty much the same in all the other respects, and pay the same price.

[Ttxcs]

Thank you so much for all the explanation Davidelevi! It's great to hear from somebody who actually have the knowledge!