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[NewbieStone]

I'm new to the forum and the to the diamond world. I have been looking for and engagement ring/stone for awhile now and have come across a few things I wold like to get some opinions on. From the research I have done I have found out that the cut is the most important thing and that some appraisal companies are better than others. I have been looking mostly at EGL USA stones due to my budget. I have found a stone and want to get some opinions on what you guys think of the cut. The Diamond is:

SI1, H color, 1.32 ct diamond.
The cut, polish, and symmetry are all listed as VG
The depth is 65.4%, the Table is 57%
measurements are 6.79-6.81x4.45
The Lab is EGL USA.


What do you guys think of the cut?

[denverappraiser]

There's very little information to go on to make any assessment at all in terms of how light will behave but if it's a round brilliant cut then 65.4% depth is decidedly deep. That's more like the diameter of a 1.17 than a 1.32.

You might want to rethink your premise that EGL-USA grading results in lower prices. This is not as obvious a question as you think it is. The key issue is about grading standards between the various labs. There's been quite a bit of discussion here in the forum about this issue.

[NewbieStone]

denverappraiser, on 26 January 2011 - 12:25 PM, said:

There's very little information to go on to make any assessment at all in terms of how light will behave but if it's a round brilliant cut then 65.4% depth is decidedly deep. That's more like the diameter of a 1.17 than a 1.32.

You might want to rethink your premise that EGL-USA grading results in lower prices. This is not as obvious a question as you think it is. The key issue is about grading standards between the various labs. There's been quite a bit of discussion here in the forum about this issue.

Thank you for the response and the information regarding EGL-USA, I'll check the threads. It is a round brilliant I forgot to include that. The information i posted is all that I have. I have someone trying to broker a diamond to me off Rapnet. This seems to be a bad Idea. Do you have any experience with this site?

[denverappraiser]

There's nothing wrong with Rapnet. That's just an advertising venue, rather like the database here. Whether or not your broker is offering you a good program depends entirely on the broker themselves. Whether or not they are getting good information and/or prices depends on whoever it is that's selling it to them as well as their own skills at processing what they get. This is where the value added comes in using the broker in the first place. Rapnet is in the business of selling data, Rapnet SUBSCRIBERS are in the business of buying and selling diamonds. They are not all the same. If your broker's pitch for why you should be buying from him rather than his competitors is that he's a Rapnet subscriber and that makes him special, I would call that kind of weak. LOTS of jewelers subscribe to that service. So what?

Edited by denverappraiser, 27 January 2011 - 08:45 AM.

[NewbieStone]

denverappraiser, on 26 January 2011 - 12:46 PM, said:

There's nothing wrong with Rapnet. That's just an advertising venue, rather like the database here. Whether or not your broker is offering you a good program depends entirely on the broker themselves and whether or not they are getting good information and/or prices depends on whoever it is that's selling it to them and their own skills at processing what they get. Rapnet is in the business of selling data, Rapnet SUBSCRIBERS are in the business of buying and selling diamonds. They are not all the same. If your broker's pitch for why you should be buying from him rather than his competitors is that he's a Rapnet subscriber and that makes him special, I would call that kind of weak. LOTS of jewelers subscribe to that service. So what?

Thank you for the information, I will keep these things in mind.

[denverappraiser]

What did THEY tell you about the cutting on this stone?
Did they have anything at all to say about the differences between the labs?
What are they charging for it?
How did the subject of Rapnet come up?

Edited by denverappraiser, 26 January 2011 - 01:36 PM.

[davidelevi]

Incidentally - from your first post: "appraisal companies" are not (necessarily) grading labs and vice versa. The two labs with the best reputation (GIA-GTL and AGSL) do not issue appraisals (i.e. give a value) on the stones they grade (i.e. assess for colour, clarity, finish, cut, etc.) nor do they offer an appraisal service separately, although they may train people that then set up business as appraisers.

[davidelevi]

Palladora - on whose behalf are you writing? Please read the forum rules before promoting your own site...

(This referred to a post now deleted)

Edited by davidelevi, 29 January 2011 - 07:07 AM.

[HeartAndStone]

Hi NewbieStone!

Welcome!
Well, SI1, EGL , 1.32 ct you need to be very careful...
Use our DiamondFinder tool because honestly, I smell something fishy with that broker thing.

davidelevi, on 29 January 2011 - 02:41 AM, said:

Palladora - on whose behalf are you writing? Please read the forum rules before promoting your own site...

And where's paladora?
Davide your posts are becoming to too techie/ specific. Readers will love it!
Better than 'wiki'

Edited by HeartAndStone, 29 January 2011 - 07:04 AM.

[LaurieH]

Might have gotten a little over-zealous with deleting the alluded-to post...thought perhaps another spammer. Anyway...apologies if original poster is offended.

[davidelevi]

Well - it did look like spam, and I reported it as such. So, my apologies as well, if needed.

[LaurieH]

Well, considering the huge influx of spamming in the last month, easy to be a little trigger happy if there is any doubt. Anyway...here's hoping the new member will be an asset to the forum and let this one slide

[denverappraiser]

LaurieH, on 29 January 2011 - 07:50 AM, said:

Well, considering the huge influx of spamming in the last month, easy to be a little trigger happy if there is any doubt. Anyway...here's hoping the new member will be an asset to the forum and let this one slide

Feel no guilt. Thank you for your efforts.