Hi guys I need some help on hunting for a proposal ring!!! I have on these diamonds in mind and not sure whether are they good or not. Thank you!!
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Diamond 1
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Price: 2267 USD
Shape & Cutting Style: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 5.07 - 5.1 X 3.19
Carat: 0.51
Color: E
Clarity: VS1
Cut: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: Non
Crown°: 34.5
Table%: 58
Depth%: 62.7
Culet: -
Pavilion°: 41.4
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Diamond 2
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Price: 2610 USD
Shape &Cutting Style: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 5.29 - 5.32 X 3.27
Carat: 0.57
Color: D
Clarity: VVS2
Cut: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: Non
Crown°: 34.5
Table%: 57
Depth%: 61.6
Culet: -
Pavilion°: 40.8
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Need Advices On These Diamonds
Started by Albert.C, Jul 15 2010 09:52 PM
6 replies to this topic
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Posted 16 July 2010 - 01:06 AM
Hello Albert, welcome!
Usual question: who graded these? If not GIA or AGSL, start again (or make sure you really trust the merchant).
Other couple of observations/questions:
You seem to have picked stones with very high clarity and colour. Have you actually seen a D colour diamond? And an H? Many people will prefer the H, when shown both side by side. Clarity is "even worse" in as much as once a stone is clean, no-one is going to know whether it is an SI2 or an IF without inspecting it with a loupe - an unlikely scenario, once it's set in a ring on someone's hand. Considering lower clarity and colour stones may allow you to get a considerably larger stone for the same amount.
Also on weight: if you can manage to find a stone that is slightly below 0.50, it will cost considerably less.
Which brings me to the other usual question: what are you looking for? The comments above are indications of my preferences/thought processes if I were to buy those diamonds. It tells you little of value about what you should look for, since it has no input on your wishes/needs/preferences.
Usual question: who graded these? If not GIA or AGSL, start again (or make sure you really trust the merchant).
Other couple of observations/questions:
You seem to have picked stones with very high clarity and colour. Have you actually seen a D colour diamond? And an H? Many people will prefer the H, when shown both side by side. Clarity is "even worse" in as much as once a stone is clean, no-one is going to know whether it is an SI2 or an IF without inspecting it with a loupe - an unlikely scenario, once it's set in a ring on someone's hand. Considering lower clarity and colour stones may allow you to get a considerably larger stone for the same amount.
Also on weight: if you can manage to find a stone that is slightly below 0.50, it will cost considerably less.
Which brings me to the other usual question: what are you looking for? The comments above are indications of my preferences/thought processes if I were to buy those diamonds. It tells you little of value about what you should look for, since it has no input on your wishes/needs/preferences.
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Posted 16 July 2010 - 01:57 AM
Hi Davidelevi!!! Thank you for the reply!
Sorry about that, I'm gonna put in more details.
Yes it's GIA graded. I have seen D-F color diamonds side by side with G-F and I can really see a difference that's why I have decided to go for a better color, from D-F. As for clarity wise, I can't really differentiate between VVS2 and VS1/2 so I guess I could settle with lesser clarity if needed. But I just feel like getting a perfect diamond for my wife-to-be!!
So far the lowest color grade I have seen is G and clarity is VS2, as the choices are rather limited here.
I'm actually looking for a diamond with
ROund brilliant
Color : D-F
Clarity: VVS2-VS2
No Fluorescene
Triple E if possble
I have been hunting for it for quite a while and I have more or less concluded what I want, so need some advices about the diamond I have posted. Those are loose diamonds by the way. Although I have not seen them with my own eyes but I have seen similar grades so I guess it wont much a difference. I gonna customised the setting.
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Sorry about that, I'm gonna put in more details.
Yes it's GIA graded. I have seen D-F color diamonds side by side with G-F and I can really see a difference that's why I have decided to go for a better color, from D-F. As for clarity wise, I can't really differentiate between VVS2 and VS1/2 so I guess I could settle with lesser clarity if needed. But I just feel like getting a perfect diamond for my wife-to-be!!
So far the lowest color grade I have seen is G and clarity is VS2, as the choices are rather limited here.
I'm actually looking for a diamond with
ROund brilliant
Color : D-F
Clarity: VVS2-VS2
No Fluorescene
Triple E if possble
I have been hunting for it for quite a while and I have more or less concluded what I want, so need some advices about the diamond I have posted. Those are loose diamonds by the way. Although I have not seen them with my own eyes but I have seen similar grades so I guess it wont much a difference. I gonna customised the setting.
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davidelevi, on Friday, Jul 16 2010, 05:06 PM, said:
Hello Albert, welcome!
Usual question: who graded these? If not GIA or AGSL, start again (or make sure you really trust the merchant).
Other couple of observations/questions:
You seem to have picked stones with very high clarity and colour. Have you actually seen a D colour diamond? And an H? Many people will prefer the H, when shown both side by side. Clarity is "even worse" in as much as once a stone is clean, no-one is going to know whether it is an SI2 or an IF without inspecting it with a loupe - an unlikely scenario, once it's set in a ring on someone's hand. Considering lower clarity and colour stones may allow you to get a considerably larger stone for the same amount.
Also on weight: if you can manage to find a stone that is slightly below 0.50, it will cost considerably less.
Which brings me to the other usual question: what are you looking for? The comments above are indications of my preferences/thought processes if I were to buy those diamonds. It tells you little of value about what you should look for, since it has no input on your wishes/needs/preferences.
Usual question: who graded these? If not GIA or AGSL, start again (or make sure you really trust the merchant).
Other couple of observations/questions:
You seem to have picked stones with very high clarity and colour. Have you actually seen a D colour diamond? And an H? Many people will prefer the H, when shown both side by side. Clarity is "even worse" in as much as once a stone is clean, no-one is going to know whether it is an SI2 or an IF without inspecting it with a loupe - an unlikely scenario, once it's set in a ring on someone's hand. Considering lower clarity and colour stones may allow you to get a considerably larger stone for the same amount.
Also on weight: if you can manage to find a stone that is slightly below 0.50, it will cost considerably less.
Which brings me to the other usual question: what are you looking for? The comments above are indications of my preferences/thought processes if I were to buy those diamonds. It tells you little of value about what you should look for, since it has no input on your wishes/needs/preferences.
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Posted 16 July 2010 - 02:43 AM
Bear in mind that:
a. Each grade (colour, clarity, but above all cut) is a range. For some (e.g. high D vs. a D that is almost an E) it really will make no difference once the stone is set. For others (e.g. "Excellent" cut) the range really is ample.
b. There is no accounting for taste. I like older cut stones more than modern rounds, even though they are "worse" in some respects.
Between the two you have posted above, without considering budget, I'd pick the second. It will be visibly spreadier and larger, if not by much. Whether an extra quarter of a mm is enough to justify $400, is something only you can decide. Colour and clarity you won't be able to differentiate, and as far as it can be told without actually seeing the stones, they both seem to be decently cut.
If I really really really had to buy, I'd still buy something different...
a. Each grade (colour, clarity, but above all cut) is a range. For some (e.g. high D vs. a D that is almost an E) it really will make no difference once the stone is set. For others (e.g. "Excellent" cut) the range really is ample.
b. There is no accounting for taste. I like older cut stones more than modern rounds, even though they are "worse" in some respects.
Between the two you have posted above, without considering budget, I'd pick the second. It will be visibly spreadier and larger, if not by much. Whether an extra quarter of a mm is enough to justify $400, is something only you can decide. Colour and clarity you won't be able to differentiate, and as far as it can be told without actually seeing the stones, they both seem to be decently cut.
If I really really really had to buy, I'd still buy something different...
Edited by davidelevi, 16 July 2010 - 02:47 AM.
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Posted 18 July 2010 - 04:53 PM
Hi davidelevi !!
May I know what would be your recommendation if you were to pick a diamond? Should I choose a diamond with with E-F (or even lower) color and VS1 or VS2 clarity?
Thank you very much!!!
May I know what would be your recommendation if you were to pick a diamond? Should I choose a diamond with with E-F (or even lower) color and VS1 or VS2 clarity?
Thank you very much!!!
davidelevi, on Friday, Jul 16 2010, 06:43 PM, said:
Bear in mind that:
a. Each grade (colour, clarity, but above all cut) is a range. For some (e.g. high D vs. a D that is almost an E) it really will make no difference once the stone is set. For others (e.g. "Excellent" cut) the range really is ample.
b. There is no accounting for taste. I like older cut stones more than modern rounds, even though they are "worse" in some respects.
Between the two you have posted above, without considering budget, I'd pick the second. It will be visibly spreadier and larger, if not by much. Whether an extra quarter of a mm is enough to justify $400, is something only you can decide. Colour and clarity you won't be able to differentiate, and as far as it can be told without actually seeing the stones, they both seem to be decently cut.
If I really really really had to buy, I'd still buy something different...
a. Each grade (colour, clarity, but above all cut) is a range. For some (e.g. high D vs. a D that is almost an E) it really will make no difference once the stone is set. For others (e.g. "Excellent" cut) the range really is ample.
b. There is no accounting for taste. I like older cut stones more than modern rounds, even though they are "worse" in some respects.
Between the two you have posted above, without considering budget, I'd pick the second. It will be visibly spreadier and larger, if not by much. Whether an extra quarter of a mm is enough to justify $400, is something only you can decide. Colour and clarity you won't be able to differentiate, and as far as it can be told without actually seeing the stones, they both seem to be decently cut.
If I really really really had to buy, I'd still buy something different...
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 06:10 AM
Put it like this: you won't see the difference - and nor will anyone else, particularly once it's set - between an F-VS2 and an E-VS1 (or indeed a D-IF) simply based on colour and clarity. If the value of the diamond to you is in the report and relative "bragging rights" for colour and clarity, then by any means go for a (smaller) D-IF.
To me, cut and size dominate - and regardless of taste, are much more visible to anyone than colour or clarity - so if I were the one buying I'd find a really well cut 0.70 G-VS2 or even 0.80 H-SI
To me, cut and size dominate - and regardless of taste, are much more visible to anyone than colour or clarity - so if I were the one buying I'd find a really well cut 0.70 G-VS2 or even 0.80 H-SI
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Posted 21 July 2010 - 08:22 AM
Hi Albert.C,
Adding to what Davidelevi has said, I would mention that there are some people who are particularly sensitive to color and can actually see the difference between an E and a G color. This difference is reduced the better the cut so your best option is to maximize the cut while reducing the color and clarity. This will give you the largest, best looking stone. For nearly the same money as the stones you have mentioned, I have found a .70 EVS2 XXX with a GIA report and a diameter of 5.7mm - visually much larger than the stones you have listed. Realistically, there is no visual difference between an E and a D color and unless you need a VVS for your own personal satisfaction, there is no visible difference between that and a VS2. Once you drop into the SI range, imperfections may become eye visible and closer inspection is crucial, but in a VS2 or better, you can usually rest assured the stone will be visually clean.
Adding to what Davidelevi has said, I would mention that there are some people who are particularly sensitive to color and can actually see the difference between an E and a G color. This difference is reduced the better the cut so your best option is to maximize the cut while reducing the color and clarity. This will give you the largest, best looking stone. For nearly the same money as the stones you have mentioned, I have found a .70 EVS2 XXX with a GIA report and a diameter of 5.7mm - visually much larger than the stones you have listed. Realistically, there is no visual difference between an E and a D color and unless you need a VVS for your own personal satisfaction, there is no visible difference between that and a VS2. Once you drop into the SI range, imperfections may become eye visible and closer inspection is crucial, but in a VS2 or better, you can usually rest assured the stone will be visually clean.
