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Opinions On This Diamond (sarin, Aset, Ideal Scope)


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#1 mhova21

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 08:36 AM

How would you rate this diamond in terms of performance/value?

I've read quite a bit on how to interpret the Aset and ideal scope, and with my limited knowledge, they both seem to look quite good. I suppose the one point of concern would be the very light pink " X " in the center on the Ideal Scope. Any additional input would be greatly appreciated!

[url="http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=2296961&file_name=1"]AGS Report[/url]
[url="http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=2296961&file_name=2"]Sarin[/url]
[url="http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=2296961&file_name=3"]IdealScope[/url]
[url="http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=2296961&file_name=4"]ASET[/url]
[url="http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/zoom.aspx?itemcode=2296961"]40x magnification photo[/url]

Edited by mhova21, 14 June 2010 - 08:25 AM.


#2 davidelevi

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 09:24 AM

It is a very nice stone. I don't think you are going to notice the cross negatively. It provides contrast and pattern, which to my eyes is exactly what many princesses lack. The question I would have is whether you like the look of an ACA princess over that of a spreadier stone. Only way to know is to see both...

It is going to somewhat blow your budget... unless the 5-7k was for the stone on its own.

Edited by davidelevi, 23 May 2010 - 09:25 AM.

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#3 mhova21

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 03:20 PM

View Postdavidelevi, on Sunday, May 23 2010, 01:24 PM, said:

It is a very nice stone. I don't think you are going to notice the cross negatively. It provides contrast and pattern, which to my eyes is exactly what many princesses lack. The question I would have is whether you like the look of an ACA princess over that of a spreadier stone. Only way to know is to see both...

It is going to somewhat blow your budget... unless the 5-7k was for the stone on its own.


I've actually gotten a chance to see the ACA compared to a non-ACA, to my eye there was not a whole lot of difference, and if anything I preferred the ACA. My budget is somewhat flexible, and I believe I could purchase that stone and a setting a still be content.

At $5,650.00, would you (or any others that care to chime in) purchase that diamond if you were in search of an approx. 1CT princess cut stone? Or do you feel you could get a better price on a similar diamond elsewhere?

Edited by mhova21, 25 May 2010 - 03:20 PM.


#4 davidelevi

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 11:46 PM

Could you get a better price? Possibly. 0.9x G/VS1 princesses are quoted by the vendors on this site between $2800 and $4200, with a few stones breaching the $4500 level. This is $1000 (or more) less than Whiteflash's price, and chances are there is something around there which is as nice as the stone you are considering. So, what are you paying the $1000 for?

* Whiteflash has already carried out that search for you, and it is a thorough search with highly consistent results. Should you ever want a larger stone that looks "exactly the same", or a pair of earrings, or... you know you can get them without too much fuss.

* The search for the stone may take you a few months, several shipping charges/travel costs, appraiser/expert fees and a fair amount of frustration and worry, particularly if you have a deadline looming.

* You have a very nice return, exchange/upgrade and buy-back policy (although it's disappointing that their buy-back policy is now only valid for 12 months).

* You are dealing with a nice, professional, established vendor, who also has an excellent reputation in the US, if you or your FI care about names and brands.

Is all this worth $1000? What else could you do with that money? What else could you do with the saved time and peace of mind? Only you can answer. For some people, the greatest fun is searching and hunting. For others, much greater enjoyment is derived from closing a deal quickly and with good results, and moving on to the next thing.
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#5 HeartAndStone

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 03:17 AM

@davidelevi

I admire your sensible thoughts on this matter., and yes I agree, it's about the process of 'getting' it. Owning a diamond is different story.

@mhova
I've seen your magnificent choice, and I'm speechless. Credibility equates to peace of mind, so your call.
and then keep us posted. Good luck!
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#6 mhova21

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 08:49 AM

I got some additional information regarding the diamond of interest. Seems like the inclusions are all in the pavilion, so does this mean that they will not be visible at all from a top view?

I also asked for a couple additional pictures. I was trying to get a better idea of the exact color (as little as it may be). When I requested a pic against a flat white background, WF told me the color wouldn't be visible through photography which kind of through up a flag in my head since I distinctly remember seeing pictures of D-H stones that showed a difference. So I asked to have the stone placed side-by-side with a D, E, or F just for peace of mind. But does that sound right to you, not being able to see diamond color in photography? :-/

Edited by mhova21, 28 May 2010 - 09:16 AM.


#7 davidelevi

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:05 AM

Regardless of where the inclusions are located, with a VS1 grade, there is no way you will see them without a loupe. And even with a loupe they'll be pretty tough to find, and may be totally impossible to see even with a high power microscope once the stone is set (e.g. the natural in the corner - which is tiny to start with, given AGS has not downgraded symmetry or polish - will most likely be covered by a prong).

In any case, the plots are only meant to help in the location of the inclusion, they aren't a 3D map and they don't have any information on colour and "true" shape or density, so never ever rely on a plot to determine whether an inclusion in visible. And a pavillion-located inclusion can be much more visible than something in the crown, depending on its colour, size and position.

One last thing - please ask Whiteflash to put the stone on hold. You are now publishing too much about it, and it is not unknown for stones to be found, commented favourably upon and then be bought by someone else who lurks on the forum(s).

ETA - your last question on the colour cross-posted with my answer on clarity. Whiteflash is absolutely correct. You won't see the colour in a photo, largely because your eyes/brain works on differences, not hue absolutes. You may be able - depending on the lighting, background and skills of the photographer - to see the difference with a D put side-by-side, but even that is going largely to disappear once the stone is set and seen from above. Other aspects (such as cut) will dominate the quality of the reflected light.

I'll be rude, though, and ask you what you stand to gain from the exercise? Do you have a reason to distrust AGS that this is a properly graded G colour stone? Or Whiteflash that this is indeed the stone represented in the grading report? If that is the case, choose your independent expert (i.e. an appraiser), and ask his/her opinion. That is way more reliable than any photo, no matter how skilfully taken.

Edited by davidelevi, 28 May 2010 - 09:18 AM.

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#8 mhova21

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:52 AM

To be honest, its simply for my own peace of mind rather than any real evaluative purposes. Ive seen, in person, colors D-I, and certainly was able to tell a difference between the two ends of the spectrum. In some cases I've been able to tell difference between grades directly adjacent to each other. I've also noticed, in person and in pictures, that not all G colors look the same. I've never seen a standalone G and thought "that looks yellowish", but I have seen a G next to an E and though that there was a yellowish tint. I understand that only an in person assessment will do justice, but just simply trying to get a better idea of this particular stones color as well as additional images before I move on to having it sent to a local appraiser.

Edited by mhova21, 28 May 2010 - 09:58 AM.


#9 davidelevi

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 12:16 PM

Well, like any other grade "G" is a range going from just below F to just above H. My point is that between camera calibration, monitor calibration, lighting calibration etc. your chances of actually seeing through a photo if the stone is a "low" or "high" G are practically zilch. A comparative photo by a skilful photographer under correct lighting, neutral background, side view and a D stone nearby will still tell you nothing at all about what the stone looks like once it's "live"
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#10 barry

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Posted 30 May 2010 - 02:48 AM

G color in a well cut diamond will face up icy white.
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 03:59 PM

Well, finally made the purchase. I got it at somewhat of a discount off the advertised price, ended up paying $5300. Now I'm waiting on the custom e-ring to be completed. Haven't got any CAD images yet, but I've requested a platinum X-prong with channel set princesses in a cathedral type band. Will have a surprise diamond on each side of the setting underneath the center stone. TCW of the band should be somewhere around 0.6ct.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 11:44 AM

Good. We want photos of the finished item. And most importantly, hand shots ;)
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