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[ajano]

Hello all, i am searching around for an engagement ring diamond and my gf wants a radiant.

I am trying to decide between the following :
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Shape:[/url]Radiant
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Carat weight:[/url]1.21
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Cut:[/url]Premium
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Color:[/url]F
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Clarity:[/url]VVS1
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Certificate:[/url]GIA
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Depth:[/url]65.9%
Table: 68.0%
Polish:Very Good
Very thin to slightly thick
Ratio:1.11


OR

[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Shape:[/url]Radiant
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Carat weight:[/url]1.25
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Cut:[/url]Premium
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Color:[/url]D
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Clarity:[/url]VS1
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Certificate:[/url]GIA
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Depth:[/url]67.3%
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Table:[/url]68.0%
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Polish:[/url]Excellent
Symmetry:Excellent
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Girdle:[/url]Slightly thick to thick
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Culet:[/url]None
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Fluorescence:[/url]None
[url="http://java%20script%3a%6fpen_help("]Measurements:[/url]6.30*5.71*3.84
Ratio:1.10


Any feedback you guys can offer me? </FONT></FONT>

[jan]

ajano, on Monday, Mar 10 2008, 08:17 PM, said:

Hello all, i am searching around for an engagement ring diamond and my gf wants a radiant.

I am trying to decide between the following :
Shape:Radiant
Carat weight:1.21
Cut:Premium
Color:F
Clarity:VVS1
Certificate:GIA
Depth:65.9%
Table: 68.0%
Polish:Very Good
Very thin to slightly thick
Ratio:1.11


OR

Shape:Radiant
Carat weight:1.25
Cut:Premium
Color:D
Clarity:VS1
Certificate:GIA
Depth:67.3%
Table:68.0%
Polish:Excellent
Symmetry:Excellent
Girdle:Slightly thick to thick
Culet:None
Fluorescence:None
Measurements:6.30*5.71*3.84
Ratio:1.10


Any feedback you guys can offer me? </FONT></FONT>


I hope you have more info that some numbers on a piece of paper to make the decision. Diamonds are really hard to judge how pretty they are based on numbers only.
Any pictures of the individual diamonds?

[ajano]

The first picture is of the 1.25 vs1






The second one is of the 1.21 vvs1

[jan]

The first picture looks like it could be brighter around the outside of the diamond and hazed somewhat under the table. Could just be the photo though not sure. 2nd picture looks like not that great of faceting.
If I had to choose between those two, without any others to compare I would choose the first one.

Can they give you any better photos? Maybe something that looks less diffused and more lifelike.

[diamondsbylauren]

I agree with Jan- the second one looks like it would have a "bowtie" becasue the facets seem very wide in the center.
Ostensibly, the first one looks ok to me..... but I'd also like to see a few additional photos.

What are the prices?

[ajano]

diamondsbylauren, on Wednesday, Mar 12 2008, 12:12 PM, said:

I agree with Jan- the second one looks like it would have a "bowtie" becasue the facets seem very wide in the center.
Ostensibly, the first one looks ok to me..... but I'd also like to see a few additional photos.

What are the prices?

Im working on getting more pictures out here for you guys, but as for price please see below

1.25 diamond price: $8,370

1.21 diamond price: $7,830

[diamondsbylauren]

The prices are certainly in line, they do not raise red flags because they are too low or too high. And that is important.
It is not us that should really be demanding more photos, it is you. Many times if a seller does not have the diamond, they have only one photo. Maybe they could provide a photo on someone's hand, or something to show that actually do possess the diamond

Edited by diamondsbylauren, 12 March 2008 - 10:26 AM.

[ajano]

here is a second photo of the 1.21 ct diamond.




I should be getting more photos tomorrow and hopefully one comparing the two together.

also- i think the price on the diamond is still negotiable. Assuming these come out to be fairly decent photos, is there a certain percentage lower i should offer for the diamonds?


Thanks again for everybodies help, this stuff is pretty difficult to do on my own.

[ajano]

okay here are some mroe pictures

the left diamond is the vs1

I think its the clear winner in this situation, but do you think paying nearly 9,000 is too much for this?

[diamondsbylauren]

Wow that's very interesting. If you ask me those photos raise a lot of questions.
For one thing, the stone on the right looks a whole lot darker than F color. In fact, it doesn't very much look like the diamonds in the first photos... neither stone looks like the first photos. This could be because of a totally different camera, but that does not explain the huge amount of color you can see in the stone on the right

[Bradley]

There is no way that is an F and D color being compared to each other in that tray. Something smells funny.

[Bradley]

That stone on the right doesn`t even look like the same diamond, you can tell by its more rectangular shape. Plus there is no way an F color is that yellow.

[ajano]

I appreciate all these comments please keep them coming and i am going to try to get more photos.

I agree with the comment that the 1.21 "F" stone looks like a completely different rock.

The company is JamesAllen.com, have you heard anything about these guys being reputable or shadey?

I really like the 1.25ct diamond but i just dont want to be taken for a ride. (as im sure nobody does)

Ive left the guy ive been going back and fourth with a message asking him about the diamonds, but overall $8400 for the 1.25 vs1 *seems* to be a good price from what im seeing around.

[denverappraiser]

Call them up and discuss this with them. This is a pretty serious accusation. The boss there is Jim Schultz.
Let us know what he says.

Neil

[James Allen]

Hey guys,

This is Jim from JamesAllen.com. Judging diamond color and proportions from a photograph might be fun, but it isn't very accurate. We pulled both of these diamonds out of the safe this morning and confirmed everything is a perfect match against the GIA reports.

While I agree that pictures can be helpful, nothing beats having the diamonds inspected side-by-side by a qualified appraiser or member of the diamond trade. That's exactly why we had these two diamonds examined by one of our inhouse GIA GG's and recommended to ajano the D-VS1.

Now it's just up to him as to whether or not he pulls the trigger!

[Bradley]

I guess Neil pulled his post about length to width ratios. I`m sticking to mine. Clearly the stone on the right doesn`t look even close to an F color, more like a K. Must be a mix up with the photo or something.

[jan]

I'm going to say that the first set of photos that you put up were not of the stones in the stats as the length to width ratios were much more square. The 3rd set of photos is more likely that they are of the stones in the stats just based on the dimensions you listed, however the colors look quite drastically different from what a D-F comparison should look like. Where did you get the first 3 photos of the square radiants from?

Edited by jan, 19 March 2008 - 02:51 AM.

[ajano]

jan, on Wednesday, Mar 19 2008, 05:48 AM, said:

I'm going to say that the first set of photos that you put up were not of the stones in the stats as the length to width ratios were much more square. The 3rd set of photos is more likely that they are of the stones in the stats just based on the dimensions you listed, however the colors look quite drastically different from what a D-F comparison should look like. Where did you get the first 3 photos of the square radiants from?

the first vs1 1.25 was off the website directly and all other pictures were emailed to me directly.

[jan]

ajano, on Wednesday, Mar 19 2008, 07:55 AM, said:

jan, on Wednesday, Mar 19 2008, 05:48 AM, said:

I'm going to say that the first set of photos that you put up were not of the stones in the stats as the length to width ratios were much more square. The 3rd set of photos is more likely that they are of the stones in the stats just based on the dimensions you listed, however the colors look quite drastically different from what a D-F comparison should look like. Where did you get the first 3 photos of the square radiants from?

the first vs1 1.25 was off the website directly and all other pictures were emailed to me directly.

My guess would be that the wrong photos were loaded originally.

[diamondsbylauren]

From what I know, we should give Jim the benefit of the doubt here. I also believe that these photos are incorrect, but maybe he did not take them himself. If the photos were sent to Jim, it is the person taking the photos made the mistakes.

Clearly these photos are not correct