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Is EGL certification as good as GIA or AGS?


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#1 Joey T

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Posted 01 November 2005 - 07:02 AM

I have been looking at a diamond that is EGL certified. I have read that EGL is not quite as respected as GIA or AGS. Is that true? Is this something to be concerned about? Does EGL certification carry less value than the others, and am I possibly buying a lesser stone than I think I am?

Here are the specifics of the stone I am looking at:

Round Brilliant
1.25 carat
F/VS1
6.93-6.90x4.27
table depth: 61.7%
table width: 57%
crown height: 15%
pavilion depth: 44%
girdle: thin
polish: VG
symmetry: EX
culet: none
fluorescence: none
graining: nil
comments: "Excellent Ideal Cut"

Price is $9700. Based on this info, is this a good stone, and a good value?

Thanks for any feedback.
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#2 ben

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Posted 01 November 2005 - 09:00 AM

Read the FAQ for discussion on EGL vs GIA vs AGS

[url="http://www.diamond.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=1305"]http://www.diamond.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=1305[/url]

As far as the pricing on the stone is concerned, it sounds about right. You can compare it to others by clicking on the "find online jeweler" button and searching for similar stones.
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#3 Joey T

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Posted 01 November 2005 - 10:01 AM

I have already read the FAQ regarding the comparison of EGL, GIA, and AGS. That was where I first learned of the perceived difference among them.

I'm still not fully clear on what that means though. Does it mean that I'm paying less for for an EGL stone than I would for a stone with the same characterics that was graded by a different lab?

Or does it mean that I'm paying the same amount as I would for a comparable diamond with GIA or AGS, but I'm potentially getting less, because the grading may be more lax?

I currently have this stone on hold. I thought it was a nice stone at a fair price, but now I'm wondering if the EGL factor is something I should have given more consideration to. Also after running the Holloway Cut Advisor, it grades out at only a 4.5. Sometimes I think that all of this information, while helpful, makes the decision harder rather than easier! I probably would have been perfectly happy with this diamond based on my gut feeling and how it looked in person compared to the others I looked at, but now with this new information I'm finding out, I'm starting to second guess myself!

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Posted 01 November 2005 - 03:39 PM

GIA and AGS are considered the top grading labs for their accuracy, stringency, and consistency.

In other cases, color/clarity grades may be off by 1-2 grades; meaning you are paying
more for less .

You can control this by having an Independent Appraiser evaluate the diamond for color/clarity. If that opinion jibes with the EGL lab report, you may have an excellent buy.

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Posted 02 November 2005 - 09:47 AM

I probably would have been perfectly happy with this diamond based on my gut feeling and how it looked in person compared to the others I looked at, but now with this new information I'm finding out, I'm starting to second guess myself!


I can imagine how you feel. But I think in the long run you may find that you'll appreciate your diamond even more if you know all the details about it.

And, as I mentioned before, given the info you provided, it does seem like a reasonable value for the money.
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Posted 04 November 2005 - 09:37 AM

It has been my experience that EGL stones that I've seen can be 1-3 grades different than GIA would grade them.
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Posted 24 November 2009 - 11:35 AM

I just got my stone similar to yours. The difference is a VS2, Excellent cut/polishing/symetric and with GIA certified and I paid for $8800. They have the same with EGL certified for $2000 less!!! there are not big difference between these two. But I picked GIA because of its value incase I need to resell it later. Personally I don't really care if it is an EGL or GIA certified, the impotant is I have to like the diamond at "fist sight" :rolleyes: .

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 11:54 AM

You are absolutely right that you must like the diamond first and foremost. However, since the difference in cost between a GIA report and an EGL report is at most $25 for a diamond of that size, it is pretty clear that there is something else to justify the difference of $2,000 between the two stones. Details do matter!
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Posted 25 November 2009 - 06:58 AM

I am sure there are plenty of places to go and see diamonds to compare them until you know who has the best stone. Ask to see 2-3 stones magnified and ask your local gemologist or jeweler to show you where the imperfection(s) are in the diamond.

Clarity is usually the characteristic that is not graded consistently because it is the most subjective aspect in grading diamonds. As a lay person, you should have a good deal of difficulty finding the imperfection in a VS1 diamond with 10X magnification. If you can see it somewhat easily, beware!

Online buying is stressful. I have seen GIA graded diamonds that are over graded as well. It's just an opinion! All you can do if you are unhappy is grumble and keep it, or return the stone and start over (returning it is stressful too).

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 08:40 AM

Clarity is usually the characteristic that is not graded consistently because it is the most subjective aspect in grading diamonds.


I find color to be the area where the different labs are least consistent. I've seen 'certified' stones where I disagree with the color by as much as 4 grades. It's common to disagree by 1 or 2 and it's almost never to the customers favor. GIA and AGSL are MUCH more consistent in their grading both in terms of clarity and color.

This strikes me as a purely academic question. If you believe your grader to be unreliable, DON'T RELY ON THEM. If you believe your dealer is asking you to rely on information that they know to be inaccurate, don't just hold it against the lab, hold it against the jeweler.

Neil

Edited by denverappraiser, 26 November 2009 - 07:00 AM.

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Posted 30 March 2011 - 05:50 PM

A certification doesn't change the value of the stone, but an accurate report will help you know with more certainty what the specifications of your stone are. That's why I wouldn't buy a diamond that wasn't GIA certified. They have the strictest grading standards and the best reputation in the industry. Personally, I want to know what the 4 C's are when I'm buying a diamond. GIA developed the 4 C's in the first place. That just makes me trust them more with grading overall. Hope this is helpful!

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 06:59 AM

Laura,

You seem to only have one message and are unwilling to discuss it so I'll just comment and not expect a reply from you. I also am a fan of GIA documentation but, as I have mentioned before, I disagree that GIA has the 'strictest' grading standards, especially with regard to cutting. I also disgree with your statement that the right paperwork doesn't make a stone more valuable. It doesn't change the stone, but proper paperwork DOES make it sell faster and with less trouble. It DOES make it more desirable to both buyers and sellers alike, and it DOES add to the price that sellers demand and that people are willing to pay. If that's not adding value, I don't know what is.

Edited by denverappraiser, 31 March 2011 - 07:01 AM.

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#13 jan

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 08:34 AM

This post originated in 2005. Is there any particular reason for dragging up old posts?

Edited by jan, 01 April 2011 - 08:34 AM.

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